Nikon responds- "rapid deterioration in the market occurred and fiercer competition"

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ultimitsu
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Re: Nikon responds- "rapid deterioration in the market occurred and fiercer competition"
In reply to jfriend00, 3 months ago

jfriend00 wrote:

Robin Casady wrote:

I suspect they believe that that loss will be much less than the combination of customers gained by expanding to other demographics with the D800, and those who find the money for the D4. The D700 probably lost them a lot of D3 sales.

I find it comically entertaining when people make this point about the D700. Do you seriously think Nikon would have been more profitable if they never created the D700? That's ridiculous.

What is comical is you are so upset that you cannot see the real point Robin has made - D700 was not a wrong product but its spec hurt its bigger brother. Canon got it right by specing 5D2 very differently to 1D4/1D3, thus action shooters buy 1D4, studio and landscape buy 5D2, who with more money buy 1Ds3.

due to nikon's failed product separation strategy, 5D2 outsold D700 by something like 10 to 1.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3142921#forum-post-40569344

The D700 product put them on the map with FX with the enthusiast consumer/prosumer.

D700 would have done that if it was a 16mp 5 FPs camera, or 21 mp 3 FPs camera. Nikon glass owners simply wanted a 3000 USD FX camera, as long as it was FX, it would have sold.

By your thinking, the D600 and D800 are stealing D4 sales too because if you don't need high fps or a big body, then you can get all your need (and actually more pixels) with either the D600 or D800.

Exactly, who is buying D4 and doesnt need the FPS?

So, should Nikon stop making the D600 and D800 because they area also taking away D4 sales?

A nonsensical logical leap. Equivalent to "if apple is a fruit,  fruit must be an apple."

Certainly, if Nikon didn't have the D600 and D800, they'd sell more D4s. But, duh, they'd sell a lot less overall. So maximizing D4 sales is not the primary objective at all. Maximizing overall sales/profit is.

Nikon needs one product that appeals to each different need. D600, D800 and D4 all appeal to different need. That is exactly how it should be. Canon was successful doing just that. D700 and D3 appealed to the same need and forgone other needs. That is how it should not be.

Companies make multiple products because they reach a LARGER portion of the market and make higher profits by doing so. Every additional product overlaps some in customers with other products in the line, but you need more than one product to meet the needs of more customers. Companies usually don't make higher profits by ignoring portions of their market - particularly in a declining overall market. That's exactly when you need to attack every relevant segment of the market.

See, now you are talking sense. just apply this logic to the current line up and you will realise that is exactly what nikon is doing.

I am quite sure that Canon won't leave the $2000-$3000 sports/action market unserved

That is exactly what canon is doing. you want action you buy 5D3 for 3500. you want to pay 2000 you get one x-type AF sensor.

so if Nikon wants to cede it to Canon, I'm sure they would happily take it.

Funniest prediction of the month. at 2000 market D600 beats 6D in both FPS and AF. The reality is Canon has conceded this market and Nikon has happily taken it.

Edited 3 months ago by ultimitsu
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