Nikon responds- "rapid deterioration in the market occurred and fiercer competition"

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Robin Casady
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Re: Nikon responds- "rapid deterioration in the market occurred and fiercer competition"
In reply to jfriend00, 4 months ago

jfriend00 wrote:

Robin Casady wrote:

jfriend00 wrote:
Then, Nikon will just forfeit the majority of the amateur sports/action market. Customers who shoot action and aren't in the D4 price range are voting with their wallets and not buying the D600 or D800 because they don't meet their needs. It also doesn't help that there's no new DX camera for action shooters either.

I suspect they believe that that loss will be much less than the combination of customers gained by expanding to other demographics with the D800, and those who find the money for the D4. The D700 probably lost them a lot of D3 sales.

I find it comically entertaining when people make this point about the D700. Do you seriously think Nikon would have been more profitable if they never created the D700? That's ridiculous.

I find it comically entertaining that you think you know how to manage Nikon better than they do. The D700 was what it was because of the available technology and market forces of that time. This is not that time. Technology has changed, and so has the market. The D700 introduced an afordable FX body. The market pressure to do that was probably greater than the loss of D3 sales.

As time when on, the technology allowed them to both differentiate the DXXX from the DX, and widen the appeal of the entire line. The loss of your small demographic was probably more than offset by the expansion.

The D700 product put them on the map with FX with the enthusiast consumer/prosumer. The D3 was just way, way too expensive for most people. The D3 was great for pros, but it was the D700 that launched their FX line with the non-pro (many pros bought it also).

Launch completed. New market forces in effect. The resolution of camera phones and P&S is making 12 MP look anachronistic.

By your thinking, the D600 and D800 are stealing D4 sales too because if you don't need high fps or a big body, then you can get all your need (and actually more pixels) with either the D600 or D800. So, should Nikon stop making the D600 and D800 because they area also taking away D4 sales? Certainly, if Nikon didn't have the D600 and D800, they'd sell more D4s. But, duh, they'd sell a lot less overall. So maximizing D4 sales is not the primary objective at all. Maximizing overall sales/profit is.

I don't think that at all.

Companies make multiple products because they reach a LARGER portion of the market and make higher profits by doing so. Every additional product overlaps some in customers with other products in the line, but you need more than one product to meet the needs of more customers. Companies usually don't make higher profits by ignoring portions of their market - particularly in a declining overall market. That's exactly when you need to attack every relevant segment of the market.

You are mistaken. There is a balance that has to be achieved. Too many models can drive costs beyond what is gained by more complete market coverage. Too many models can confuse customers an cause them to walk away. There is a saying in the retail trade, "Never give a customer too many choices."

Making more different models requires more tooling, more worker training, more complex part supply management, increased complexity in marketing and distribution, more complexity in servicing. These create additional costs have to be balanced against the added revenue generated by more exactly covering different demographics.

Sendai was running at capacity to introduce the D4, D800, and D800E. Even so, it many of us months to get a D800 or D800E. I placed my D800E order about an hour after it became possible to order. It was almost four months before I got one. Satisfying your demographic would not have justified building a new factory.

I am quite sure that Canon won't leave the $2000-$3000 sports/action market unserved so if Nikon wants to cede it to Canon, I'm sure they would happily take it.

Enjoy your Canon. Which model exactly meets your needs?

  1. The readers of dpreview probably represent a very small portion of Nikon's potential customers. What is known here is not known to all.
  2. Not everyone here thinks Nikon mishandled the problem as badly as you imply.
  3. Teething problems happen with radically new products. It wasn't something Nikon did intentionally.

I expect some new products to have issues. It's how a company deals with it that matters.

I once read an excellent book called Moments of Truth written by the CEO of a Scandinavian airline where he discussed how every interaction with a customer, particularly when things go wrong is an opportunity to win that customer's long term loyalty. In fact, you can actually build loyalty with the right strategy through a problem, even though the customer had a problem. This is because trust is built through experiences and if a customer has a problem and you treat them well and resolve that problem, they actually feel stronger and more loyal to your brand than if they never had the problem in the first place. The opposite is also true. If you handle it poorly, you lose trust and loyalty.

Making an airline customer happy is a very different thing than trying to make the owner of a defective camera happy. I'm not saying Nikon did a stellar job of it, but the logistics of what an airline CEO can do is much different than what a Nikon CEO could do.

Nikon lost trust and loyalty from many with the way they handled their D800 problems.

Analyze what they did, where they went wrong, and what they should have done. Let's see how realistic you can be about that.

Perhaps some finance guys clamped down and tried to limit the warranty/returns financial exposure, but Nikon lost a lot of goodwill with the Nikon community and future buyers. Even now, you can't really trust that any D800 you might encounter in the marketplace (new or used) is good.

You are mad because your camera had problems and didn't get repaired the first time it was sent in. Tell me why you think that happened. What decisions did finance guys make to cause your camera to be defective and prevent it from being fixed quickly?

Do you think engineers and logistics had anything to do with it?

Do you own much audio equipment? ...

The question is not whether Pioneer survived or not. The question is whether a different handling of the problem would have made the company stronger than it is today or would have made that product line and other related products more successful in the future.

I doubt that many people remember this problem. It probably had a very minor effect on Pioneer. How many people don't buy Fords because they decided that killing a few people would be cheaper than re-engineering the Pinto? Anybody get killed over the left-AF problem?

Nobody says that the D800 handling will kill Nikon. But, many believe they are going to be less successful now because of how poorly they handled it than if they had done things differently.

Differently, how exactly?

My guess is that some early confusion about what the problem really was, a slow-to-react HQ and some poor lines of communication between HQ and field repair offices put them really behind the 8-ball and by the time they actually understood the problem, the finance guys clamped down and told them to limit how much this would cost to keep the current quarter's numbers from going south.

Japanese companies tend to be more long-term oriented than USA companies. The quarterly numbers is more of a USA thing. That said, how did the finance guys prevent the engineers from making a diagnosis, developing a fix, and disseminating the fix to service centers?

Isn't it more likely that the problem was difficult, it took awhile to solve it, and getting new equipment built and sent out to every service center is what took the time?

That would be a short term decision at the cost of long term brand trust and loyalty (which is not uncommon for decisions motivated only by short term finances). But, many times that is not the right decision for the longer run because brand trust and loyalty is even more costly to build and losing it costs future sales.

Yes, but what evidence is there that Nikon didn't try their best to get the problem solved? How do you know it was a financial decision that delayed the fix?

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