What has happened to Nikon?

Started Feb 14, 2013 | Discussions thread
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Re: What has happened to Nikon?
In reply to Shotcents, Feb 15, 2013

Shotcents wrote:

And before the fanboys react and attack me I'm venting here! It's a valid set of observations for a group forum to DISCUSS Nikon gear. If your cameras work better than your last, GREAT. I'm seriously glad to hear about it. But, as many of us honest folk will admit, all is not well in Nikon-Land. Let's keep this civil and mature. This is MY view.

Up until the D800 my life with Nikon was just about perfect. How perfect? Well, I spent 25K or more EASILY on Nikon cameras and lenses, starting with the D70, D50, D80, and then jumping into the D300, D3, D700, multiple bodies and flashes and two kits I was always comfortable using.

Enter the D800. At first things seem okay, but over the months I was less and less secure with the AF. It was CLEARLY less reliable than the D700 in challenging situations. My friends staunchly defended the D800 (and D4), but one by one they ended up with the same feeling. About half of us sent our cameras back.

My 1st D800 suffers from a MILD left AF issue. I'm sure a lot of people wish their issue was as mild as mine because I've seen far worse. My 2nd D800 was terrible. Left and right side were WAY off. I returned it.

Through various techniques and generally using ONLY the center AF point along with using the AF-ON focus technique, I get fairly reliable results. Images are wonderful, but I don't have that warm feeling I had with the D700 or D3. Some of my friends, who shoot weddings, have abandoned the D800 completely.

NONE of us will buy another D800.

Enter the D600. I DON'T HAVE ONE. But a lot of my friends jumped. Why not? Lower cost high MP second body! It's a nice dream. But what the heck!? Oil on the sensor? Silly amounts of dust along with it. Wet cleanings every other week?

And you can go to ANY major forum and hear about folks trying to get these cameras serviced. We're NOT talking about a small group. Cameras go back 2 or 3 times. Some owners are BLAMED by Nikon and charged. What the deuce?!, as Stewie would say!

So where has this left me? I'll think LONG and hard before buying the next DXXX. I'm absolutely terrified to return my D800 for service. Nikon stock is way down, just like their online reputation. It's a great time for photography, but you have to hope for a good camera in the box as never before.

My D800 is the best DSLR I've owned. But it's also been the worst; fussy, inconsistent and slow. It feels like a work-in-progress. Naturally others will jump in and claim their D800 cameras are perfect, better than sex and whatever. But, as someone else pointed out: Somewhere between the fanboys and the disgruntled owners with bad cameras lies the truth.

Cheers,

Robert

See this.  http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/the-final-three-results.html

I dont think its rocket science. I think the fast push for product and marketing has made a situation where QC is not keeping up with production, even though inventory may now be way up.

From the article, I think many tough decisions will be made over the next two years.

I cannot see Nikon keeping 3 amateur DX DSLR's. They must cut production costs and / or cater to market.

So, the D3100 may be dropped or become mirrorless, dont need that and D5100.

On the other side, they must get the enthusiasts and pros spending to them, so a new D400 plus a revamped D700 level, or updated D800 to clear off some issues, must come.

Canon....seems to have done the right thing. An APS-C mirrorless that takes EF lenses, to compete with NEX.

Sony, as you see NEX is THE biggest thing since to happen for a while. Sony is losing on others though, so maybe they will cut DSLR production to one just FF pro DSLR and one enthusiast DSLR APS-C (D7000 equiv) and add a NEX pro or enthusiast level FF. That would be the clever thing.

olympus has a greatOM-D, maybe they also need to dump some lines and focus on OM-D and thats it? Have a sports OM-D and a landscape high def OM-D?

The real issue is that the amateur market is saturated with good camera 4/3, NEX etc. It makes no sense for Nikon and Canon to compete with old APS-C layout. They must do mirrorless and offer more features to compete with NEX.

Plus, they must lock in the enthusiast and pro buyers by building on past strengths i.e. pro and enthusiast cameras.

Canon is doing it, but Nikon may be making a few mistakes, such as with the QC and not updating the D300 on time  and not maiking their mirrorless APS-C.

I think the QC issues have been caused by focusing just on cost and getting short term market and not including enough on build quality (the 5D III costs more, but look and see that some people here in these blogs are switching over for that).

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