“Full Frame Equivalence” and Why It Doesn’t Matter

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sarlo100
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Re: He was more-or-less okay, until he went off the rails
In reply to ljfinger, 3 months ago

ljfinger wrote:

sarlo100 wrote:

However...full frame will never, ever be as portable or inexpensive as m4/3 or compact cameras. And that's where the "equivalence crowd" steps on their own cranks. They think, because *THEY* demand the absolute technical maximum out of their photographic equipment, that anything that doesn't deliver the technical maximum is garbage.

That isn't the case for the vast majority of photographers out there, and it's why I ultimately laugh at the equivalence religion. "Good enough" is good enough for most people.

And explaining aperture/sensor size/focal length differences using standard 35mm notations, while perhaps not technically accurate, gives a good enough set of reference points to the vast majority of people who care about such things.

You (the equivalence crowd - not you, Lee Jay) may be right. In fact, you are right. But very, very few people give a damn.

I am the "equivalence crowd" and what you said above is laughably wrong about us. Just because I find the ability to relate focal lengths and f-stops across formats to be a highly useful concept doesn't make me a full-frame snob. On the other hand, the 4/3 people perceive us all to be full-frame snobs because many of them are so defensive about their chosen format that they think any factual statement like those I made is an attack on them. I have six cameras that get used regularly, and only one of them is a full-frame camera. Two are 1.6-crop cameras and three are 1/2.3" sensor cameras. If everything I say about equivalence is an attack on 4/3, then what does that say about my 1/2.3" sensor cameras?

Don't be defensive about the format size you chose and don't perceive equivalence as an attack. It's not. It's just physics.

First, I'm not defensive about the format I chose.  Largely because I also chose an APS-C body, a 1/1.7" compact, and a 1/2" compact.  The *concept* of equivalence is a good one, and I picked your answer to respond to because it was well thought out, and not snarkily or douchily presented.  Hell, I use equivalence when I shoot m4/3 vs. APS-C and want to think about what will be in and out of focus.  It's a useful concept.

However, far too many of the, as you put it, "full frame snobs" come off as complete jackasses in these kinds of threads.  They may be right, but they act like douches, and turn off far more people than they would ever enlighten.  They also refuse to accept that, for most people, a quick and dirty "equivalence" is good enough for most people.  Instead of stating "yes, that part is true, but you're missing out on some important concepts which can have you wind up with a picture that doesn't meet your expectations", they drone on and on about...well, I usually skip their posts before I read very far.

Presentation is as important as having facts and figures on your side.

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