For David Millier

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Usee
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Re: For David Millier
In reply to maple, 3 months ago

maple wrote:

Arvoj explained exactly what I wanted to, but much more clearly and plausibly with his good knowledge in science. As you requested, here is an image of the sort of pine needles Lin mentioned, as an example of what happened beyond Nyquist in real world scenarios:

The photo was taken with lens zoomed at 36mm fl. In memory, the pines trees were at least 50m away, but by reference to the size of the people that look about half way between the camera and the trees, it’s probably about 40m. For convenience sake, let’s say 36m, or 1000 times of the fl. So, the 5um pixel size of SD1M sensor covers 5mm at that distance, i.e., the sensor is capable of resolving line pairs no finer than 10mm in width that far. The pine needles, however, should be about 1-2mm in dia., and a high percentage of them are easily less than 10mm between each other. So we know they are largely beyond the capability of the sensor to resolve fully and truthfully.

Yet, we see pine needles, seemingly almost one by one. In theory much of these are just aliasing induced misinformation. In reality, they look vividly real.

Fine details and textures is everywhere in the real world: rock and timber surface, brick walls, foliage and grass in far field, human skins and fabrics up close, and what not. Pine needle is just one convenient example.

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Maple

This has more to do with contrast and the size of the airy disk...

...look at the needels in brighter light at the same distance in comparison to the ones in low contrast areas...

...You mainly see colored mush and not needels in the low contrast areas.

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Remember the stars at night...

...one can see them because of the very high contrast and the size of the airy disk, which is often spread over several pixel, so that a bright star can cover several pixel - even with a wide angle lens in front of the sensor, despite of it's "real" size.

What You missed in Your assumption is what already was explained with a thin wire of a fence,

which seems thicker than it should be - did Roland explain this?

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What You show in this example, is a mixture of several effects and not really the issue "real looking detail despite of aliasing".

However, this is a example, where the high contrast at pixel level of the Foveon design can show it's strenght.

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Edited 3 months ago by Usee
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