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Re: Not me
In reply to Mako2011,
3 months ago
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Mako2011 wrote:
Great Bustard wrote:
schmegg wrote:
Great Bustard wrote:
Mako2011 wrote:
Remind me again why we would want to be comparing a crop to a crop?
That's just crazy talk and melts my brain! Hehe.
For sure, that is crazy talk, unless the FF photographer is magnification or focal length limited. Still, this comes from the crazy discussion upthread, where Mako2011, for whatever reason, doesn't agree that a photo from a D800 cropped to the same framing as a photo from the D7000 will look all but identical if the photo is taken of the same scene from the same position with the same settings and displayed at the same size.
I think you misread (maybe). I replied..True (D7000 vs D800)...but then other IQ things are lost in the crop (D600 vs D7000). Still it can be an optical advantage in some case.
I guess I thought you were talking about vignetting or soft corners, not overall detail.
So, in the case of the D7000 vs D800, the D7000 will never have the IQ advantage, since the D800 sensor is equally efficient and has the same pixel density. In the worst case scenario (same DOF and shutter speed), the IQ advantage of the D800 photo will simply not be enough better to justify the size, weight, and cost of FF.
Yes, but in the case of the D800 vs D5200 (what would be the like Canon comparison BTW) there will be occasions when the crop sensor will indeed have specific optical/IQ advantage over FF.
Sure, and those occasions are when the FF camera is cropping to the same framing, the crop camera has significantly more pixels, and/or the crop camera is using a lens that is sharper by at least a factor of the crop factor.
As an aside, rather than cropping the D800 to the D7000 framing.. why not look at it from the point of view of stitching a set of 24mp crop sensor picture to the same framing of the FF 36mp picture. Advantage crop in UWA maybe...have to think it through. Can't be any stranger than shooting FF in crop mode.
Shooting FF in crop mode is merely an operational convenience -- it does not maximize the IQ that the FF camera can obtain.
But in other scenarios, the IQ differential may be substantial.
Exactly! And it goes both ways. That's why I called foul to a certain absolute statement.
Like I've said from the beginning, so long as the FF sensor is at least as efficient, has at least as many pixels, the FF photo is not being cropped to the same framing as the camera with the crop sensor (or, if it is, the FF sensor has the same, or greater, pixel density than the camera with the crop sensor), and the crop camera is not using a lens that is 1.5x sharper than then FF camera, then crop will never have an IQ advantage over FF.
Or, more generally, with the exception of extreme macro or extreme telephoto shooting where the FF photographer must crop heavily, it is all but unheard of that a crop sensor camera will have higher IQ than a FF camera of the same generation (although there are certainly exceptions -- the D7000 has way more DR than the Canon 5D2, or the 5D3, for that matter).
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