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Re: It helps if you understand what "aperture" is.
In reply to rebel99,
3 months ago
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rebel99 wrote:
Great Bustard wrote:
rebel99 wrote:
Great Bustard wrote:
rebel99 wrote:
Great Bustard wrote:
BigBen08 wrote:
Since the 6D uses a FF sensor, it should allow for less dof than my 1D4 (1.3 sensor).
Is there a site that compares images from these two cameras? For example, if both cameras had a 24mm lens @ f2.8, I'd like to see how much less dof the 6D provides.
I bought my 1D4 for air shows, for the fast and accurate AF. But I like to shoot car shows (static displays) and museums, and for that it seems the 6D will give me these advantages...
Less dof for blurred back grounds
Wider fov when used with the 24-70 f2.8 II
Better at lifting shadows and recovering highlights (at least I think it might be)
Smaller and lighter body.
The crop factor between the 1D4 and the 6D is 1.26.
So, a 24-70 / 2.8 on a 6D is equivalent to a 19-56 / 2.2 on a 1D4, and a 24-70 / 2.8 on a 1D4 is equivalent to a 30-88 / 3.5 on a 6D.
Thus, if you took a pic at 24mm f/2.8 on a 1D4, it would have the same AOV and DOF as 30mm f/3.5 on a 6D. If you took a pic at 30mm f/2.8 on a 6D, it would have the same AOV and DOF as 24mm f/2.2 on a 1D4.
not so simple, i think you are imagining....the f2.8 aperture remains the same and does not change due to the size of sensor!
Maybe this will help:
http://www.josephjamesphotography.com/equivalence/index.htm#introduction
A 50mm f/2 lens is a 50mm f/2 lens regardless of the sensor that sits behind it. However, the effect of 50mm f/2, in terms of the visual properties of the recorded photo, depend very much on the sensor that sits behind the lens:
50mm f/2 on 4/3 (mFT) is equivalent to 62.5mm f/2.5 on 1.6x (Canon APS-C), 67mm f/2.7 on 1.5x (APS-C for everyone else), and 100mm f/4 on FF (FX), where "equivalent to" means:
The photos all have the same AOV (diagonal angle of view) and aperture (entrance pupil) diameter: 50mm / 2 = 62.5mm / 2.5 = 67mm / 2.7 = 100mm / 4 = 25mm.
The photos all have the same DOF (as well as diffraction softening) when they have same perspective (subject-camera distance), AOV, aperture diameter, and display size.
The photos all have the same motion blur and the same total amount of light falls on the sensor when the aperture diameter and shutter speed are the same (e.g. ISO 100 on mFT, ISO 160 on APS-C, and ISO 400 on FF).
The photos all have the same same noise when the same total amount of light falls on the sensor if the sensors are equally efficient (less noise if the sensor is more efficient, more noise if the sensor is less efficient).
Other elements of IQ, such as resolution, bokeh, flare resistance, etc., as well as elements of operation, such as AF speed/accuracy, size, weight, etc., are not covered in this use of the term "equivalent".
that is pseudo science...aka B$! here is a simple test...take any lens at any F stop and use it on any sensor camera and check your EXIF and see what you find. i think you'll find out that joseph james is wrong!
OK, I guess you're right. No reason to believe all the actual photos demonstrating the above:
http://ezstrobesphoto.blogspot.com/2009/01/more-d300-and-d700-equivalent-images_25.html
http://ezstrobesphoto.blogspot.com/2009/01/nikon-d300-vs-d700.html
etc., etc., etc.
so based on JJ's finding, when i purchase a lens, the indicated f stop is not really what i am getting depending what crop or FF sensor my camera has?
Let's go right back to the first line of the link I gave you:
http://www.josephjamesphotography.com/equivalence/index.htm#introduction
A 50mm f/2 lens is a 50mm f/2 lens regardless of the sensor that sits behind it. However, the effect of 50mm f/2, in terms of the visual properties of the recorded photo, depend very much on the sensor that sits behind the lens:
So, yes, both the focal length and the f-ratio written on the lens are exactly what they say they are, but the effect of the f-ratio (DOF and total light projected on the sensor for a given shutter speed) scales in the exact same proportion as the effect of the focal length (AOV).
wouldn't that be a misrepresentation of the lens' f stop on manufacturers part, aren't the manufacturers aware of this fact?
As I said, the lens is stamped with what it is. But when comparing different formats, the effect of those numbers has a different meaning. Just as 50mm on crop has a different AOV as 50mm on FF, f/1.4 on crop results in a different DOF and projects a different amount of light on the sensor for a given shutter speed, and these effects all scale in the same proportion.
i still think it is nothing but illusion when he speaks of visual properties of the recorded photo, this sounds moor like oxymoron when afterwards he says everything down his list stays the same!
Take a pic of a scene from the same position at 50mm f/1.8 on 1.6x and 80mm f/2.8 on FF with the same shutter speed. Display the photos at the same size. They will have the same perspective, framing, and DOF. In addition, if the sensors are equally efficient, the photos will have the same noise.
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