Where to compare dof between the 6D and 1D4?

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Great Bustard
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Re: It helps if you understand what "aperture" is.
In reply to qianp2k, 3 months ago

qianp2k wrote:

Great Bustard wrote:

rebel99 wrote:

Great Bustard wrote:

BigBen08 wrote:

Since the 6D uses a FF sensor, it should allow for less dof than my 1D4 (1.3 sensor).

Is there a site that compares images from these two cameras? For example, if both cameras had a 24mm lens @ f2.8, I'd like to see how much less dof the 6D provides.

I bought my 1D4 for air shows, for the fast and accurate AF. But I like to shoot car shows (static displays) and museums, and for that it seems the 6D will give me these advantages...

Less dof for blurred back grounds

Wider fov when used with the 24-70 f2.8 II

Better at lifting shadows and recovering highlights (at least I think it might be)

Smaller and lighter body.

The crop factor between the 1D4 and the 6D is 1.26.

So, a 24-70 / 2.8 on a 6D is equivalent to a 19-56 / 2.2 on a 1D4, and a 24-70 / 2.8 on a 1D4 is equivalent to a 30-88 / 3.5 on a 6D.

Thus, if you took a pic at 24mm f/2.8 on a 1D4, it would have the same AOV and DOF as 30mm f/3.5 on a 6D. If you took a pic at 30mm f/2.8 on a 6D, it would have the same AOV and DOF as 24mm f/2.2 on a 1D4.

not so simple, i think you are imagining....the f2.8 aperture remains the same and does not change due to the size of sensor!

Maybe this will help:

http://www.josephjamesphotography.com/equivalence/index.htm#introduction

A 50mm f/2 lens is a 50mm f/2 lens regardless of the sensor that sits behind it. However, the effect of 50mm f/2, in terms of the visual properties of the recorded photo, depend very much on the sensor that sits behind the lens:

50mm f/2 on 4/3 (mFT) is equivalent to 62.5mm f/2.5 on 1.6x (Canon APS-C), 67mm f/2.7 on 1.5x (APS-C for everyone else), and 100mm f/4 on FF (FX), where "equivalent to" means:

  • The photos all have the same AOV (diagonal angle of view) and aperture (entrance pupil) diameter: 50mm / 2 = 62.5mm / 2.5 = 67mm / 2.7 = 100mm / 4 = 25mm.

  • The photos all have the same DOF (as well as diffraction softening) when they have same perspective (subject-camera distance), AOV, aperture diameter, and display size.

  • The photos all have the same motion blur and the same total amount of light falls on the sensor when the aperture diameter and shutter speed are the same (e.g. ISO 100 on mFT, ISO 160 on APS-C, and ISO 400 on FF).

  • The photos all have the same same noise when the same total amount of light falls on the sensor if the sensors are equally efficient (less noise if the sensor is more efficient, more noise if the sensor is less efficient).

  • Other elements of IQ, such as resolution, bokeh, flare resistance, etc., as well as elements of operation, such as AF speed/accuracy, size, weight, etc., are not covered in this use of the term "equivalent".

Well said Joe. However just want to make clear for crop cameras to use smaller F number such as in your case mFT 50/2.0 lens at F2.0, for the same FOV, FF shooters do NOT have to shoot at F4 at 100mm in order to have the same DOF. It's a holy "principle" some crop especially some mFT zealots arguing about. I'd prefer to shoot at F2.8 or F3.2 for better back ground rendering to popup the subject. I stop down some lenses not because I want deeper DOF but to increase sharpness. Fortunately new Canon lenses such as 70-200L/2.8 IS II and 24-70L/2.8 II are very sharp even at F2.8 so I don't have to stop down in low light, the purpose of fast-aperture lenses.

Note that DOF is not the only criteria here.  However, since you bring it up:

http://www.josephjamesphotography.com/equivalence/#dofbox

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