Why hasn't Nikon released a f/2.8 DX zoom?

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inasir1971
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Re: Why hasn't Nikon released a f/2.8 DX zoom?
In reply to Ando72, 4 months ago

Ando72 wrote:

Lance B wrote:

bseng wrote:

Other than the 17-55? I don't consider the 17-55 to be an option because it's big, heavy, and expensive which sort of goes against the philosophy of DX.

That's because it needs to be big.

You can't get away from the laws of physics and an f2.8 lens is generally large. Let's take a 70-200 f2.8 zoom. The minimum size of the front element is always going to be the 200mm focal length divided by the max aperture of the lens of f2.8, ie 200/2.8 = 72mm and that is regardless of format, so this lens will be the same dor FX as it is for DX. The only real advantage of DX is that you have the crop factor meaning that your 200mm lens is "equivalent" to 300mm in FX. When I say "equivalent" it sort of is, but that is a whole new discussion.

Things get a little more difficult when you go wide angle, however. The problem is that due to the lens mount distance to the sensor, which was designed for 35mm film not APS C or DX digital, wide angle lenses for DX need to be designed differently. You will find that DX wide anlge lenses which have the same Field of View and the same maximum aperture as their FX counterparts, will be at least as large and larger in many cases, as their FX counterparts, negating the benefit of the smaller DX sensored bodies.

Some of these design considerations of wide angle lenses have to do with angles of light falling on the smaller sensor of the DX camera. Part of the problem being that due to the lens mount distance being designed for FX not DX, that the light from wide angle lenses on DX does not fall perpendicular to the sensor and can cause light fall off and other issues. Therefore, these lenses need different design conmsiderations which generally make these lenses a little larger than the FX counterparts.

If you really want to get technical, there are other factors as well, like the fact that f2.8 on FX really needs to be f2 on DX to get the saem narrow DOF when wide open, which means that the DX lens wuld even be larger than their FX counterparts! Imagine how big the 17-55 f2.8 lens would be if it were f2 and imagine the cost!

So, looking at your Nikon 17-55 f2.8 lens, it is wide angle up to about 30mm in FOV terms and this is part of the reason it needs to be large and at least comparable with their FX counterparts.

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The potential benefit of size/weight with DX lenses comes at the telephoto end. To get equivalent field of view to a 70-200 you only need a lens that is approximately 50-135mm range. For f2.8 the front element then only needs to be about 48mm instead of 72. I understand that depth of field is not equivalent, but hey, I'm an enthusiast using a consumer grade body, so I'm prepared to give up some things.

Let's say I want to replicate the 14-24, 24-70, 70-200 trinity on DX. In terms of focal length equivalent on DX that's roughly 9-16, 16-50, 50-135. At the wide end I can't really gain much in terms of size/weight, but in the mid-range and telephoto range I can. Nikon only makes one lens that fits those lengths - the 17-55/2.8.

The other factor though is price. As a DX user I'm on some sort of budget; I'm prepared to make compromises on some things like high end build quality or full weathersealing.

If I consider all those factors together, what are my options? Well I can get the Tokina 11-16/2.8, Sigma 17-50/2.8 and the Sigma 50-150/2.8. I get constant f2.8 across all focal lengths, I get pretty good image quality, and I get the equivalent focal length range as the FX trinity. Also, I can get that whole set for easily less than US$3000.

I can't even replicate those focal length ranges in Nikkor lenses, and certainly not at f2.8 If I try to get close, I'm all over the place with large range overlaps and different apertures. What's more, I'm probably heading easily north of $4000 to get there.

To me that's where Nikon is missing an opportunity - the market is there for those lenses, as they exist in third party offerings and they sell.

When they decide to sell their 1.4G primes for $900 (like Sigma 35 1.4) and their 70-200 2.8 VR II for $1250 and 24-70 2.8 for $850 (like Sigma), there's a market for that too.

Doesn't mean that it will happen.

Btw, the majority of DX users wanting telephoto zooms want the additional 'reach' not shorter lenses to reduce size.

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