So, today is CP+ show

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Re: So, today is CP+ show
In reply to Tom Caldwell, 3 months ago

Tom Caldwell wrote:


What the heck is a Cadillac Escalade? Was it the aborted successor to the Canon 60D that never appeared?

Ha ha, no, it's a luxury 4 wheel drive sport utility vehicle. I think they cost more than I make in a year as a systems analyst.

Mercedes make those little manual focus cameras with the mechanically geared optical window focus device? ... right, gotcha ... (wink)

I think you've got this in mind:

It makes no sense for Ricoh to rush something to market that is not 100% finished. They have walled themselves into a corner and surrounded themself with consumer "expectations". That is their loyal bunch of present owner's expectations - those that believe in other camera brands couldn't care less but might raise just a sniff of passing interest is if something radically new got a byline on dpreview. Think of the standout technology in the new Metabones adapter - Metabones who? Those that go to trade shows would bee-line straight to the stand of their favourite camera shutter-squeeze. There might not be crowds at he Ricoh stand. But those that got sick of pushing through to counters might casually look at a Ricoh stand to assuage their boredom.

Other manufacturers might churn out gear and have enough new stuff in the locker to make a trade show stand interesting. But if Ricoh were to (say) release a single new camera in that hoopla it would look lonely indeed no matter how exciting it might be.

After all this time though there needs to be some vital signs, some sign of a pulse. At a show like that certainly they could say 'we are working on X model camera' or 'we have three GXR modules in development for later this year of X lens and Y sensor with Z features'. It's not like they're planning a lunar mission, they're just cameras. When you suspect someone has passed on, just hearing their heart beat once tells you they have not.

Therefore as long as the devoted members of this forum have survived their breath holding experiment I have to point out that they have worked themself, and myself, into a frenzy of expectation of something remarkable under the Ricoh hood. If Ricoh were to release whatever it is before it's time and it were flawed then the skin would simply be flayed off the poor wee thing in ten seconds flat. Fuji gets this and survives but Ricoh cannot risk a flawed product and the longer it take then the better, more advanced, and more reliable it has to be. Release a prototype and an anticipated availability date? Good point, but after an excited discussion on how marvellous this product might be, a crackling of credit cards putting down pre-order deposits, would suddenly be replaced by bitter words of dismay as release dates are postponed whilst some final firmware or other bugs are sorted out.

If a release date were postponed I think you'd find people much more understanding than if they simply receive no further communication that anything is coming whatsoever. Fuji is a different case IMO because they've turned out a couple of models that had major failiings that ought to have been detected with any amount of normal testing in advance.

Ricoh simply cannot win. They can't exhibit a dummy box and say "we will have this to market in three months". They cannot exhibit a beta copy and say "you can't have it yet because we are still testing it". They cannot make something if a key component is not available because of a delay by a third party manufacturer.

I have to disagree. They most certainly can and should exhibit a dummy box or beta copy. I bet Ricoh fanciers would be delighted to see something, anything. If it is later delayed for some reason then it is delayed. I think the faithful would be understanding about that too, so long as they know WHAT it IS that is being delayed.

They can't even simply upgrade a model (such as the CX6->7) if it has been phased out due to market pressures or even is part of the new scheme of things. Why make a CX7 if (say) the new product is a GRD-size camera back that takes GXR mount rails - naturally this would be the CX7 with the choice of P10, S10 or a nw up-to date small sensor zoom module? The GRDV would be a slection of aps-c prime modules - some already available and some to be packaged into modules released with the new back.

Just wondering, is Ricoh advertising (their cameras) anyplace?

LED's around the lens - mmm look forward to a LED unit replacing the inbuilt flash unit in the new GRD GXR-type camera back. Dispense with the present flash unit and the hotshoe and you have nearly slimmed down the present GXR back to GRD-form factor size. I think that Ricoh always intended to make the module/mount-rail system universal and this was why the S10 and P10 units have existed. That they were premature is only because the engineers underestimated the difficulties of bringing the module mount package down to GRD proportions.

Then if that is in the works they should say so! People understand a wait if they know what it is they are waiting for - or, if what is being delayed is nothing they want, then they know 'okay, I guess there's nothing for me in the pipeline' and re-assess their needs.

People love rumours, speculation, no matter how logical, has no followers.

Sure they do, but they hate being kept in the dark. Either there is something coming or there isn't.

I'm truly hopeful that they are going to bring out some equipment that rings the bell for you Tom, but whether they are or are not, their way of leaving their customer base just hanging is not an endearing trait. That part of their own 'user interface' needs major work.

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