Fuji x20 v Sony rx100

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marike6
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Re: I've owned both
In reply to Ray Sachs, 4 months ago

Ray Sachs wrote:

Limburger wrote:

Ray Sachs wrote:

marike6 wrote:

Ray Sachs wrote:

* Low light at the wide end of the lens. I'd say the RX100's sensor is a stop to a stop and a half better than the X10 and the lens is faster at 28mm as well.

This is just not true, even with the faster f1.8 lens (the Fuji has an f2 lens at the wide end). If you go by DxOMark tests of both cameras, for Low-Light ISO (sports) Score:

  • RX100 - 390 ISO
  • X10 - 245 ISO

A 1 stop advantage in high ISO performance, as Ray estimates, would be a 490 ISO score for the RX100, which it clearly did not achieve. I actually only has less than 1/2 EV better high ISO performance.

I can't argue with the numbers, but in real world use - street shooting in marginal to low light - I found the RX100 considerably more useful at keeping the shutter speed up, the aperture small enough for zone focus, and ISO up. It felt like a stop or more in practice. I didn't like the RX100 much, but in low light at the wide end, I thought it was pretty amazing for a compact.
-Ray
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/20889767@N05/collections/72157626204295198/

Nice, I don't care for numbers either. Pics count.

DxO is a laughing stock anyways,just look at the Canon lenses how they perform in their benchtesting LOL. According to DxO Canon doesn't make a half decent lens LMAO.

So could we agree on that the bigger sensor makes up for the 4.9 aperture?

No. At the long end, I don't think it makes up for the difference between 2.5 or 2.8 or whatever the Fuji is and 4.9. I think the Fuji is better at the long end, although the RX100 is still fine - I shot a concert with it one night at the long end at 3200 and was very happy with the results. But at the 28mm setting, with the Sony at f1.8 and the Fuji at f2.0, I think the RX100 has a pretty distinct advantage that makes a real difference in low light shooting.

The problem is, in my experience, the RX100 lens is kind of soft, almost dreamy at 28mm @ f1.8. Especially at close focus, the Zeiss lens is has soft corners, and lower contrast. The X10's lens at 28 f2, on the other hand, has very good sharpness, and superb close focus abilities.

At 28mm, the X10 focuses extremely close something like 1 cm vs 5 cm minimum close focus distance for the RX100.  There are a ton of threads online about the RX100 macro performance.

CameraLabs has some comparisons between the LX7 and RX100 wide open where you can see the Zeiss lens at max aperture.  And there are some portrait images at full telephoto at 90mm @ f2.3 for the LX7 and 100mm @ f4.9 for the RX100.  (See link below, scroll to middle of page)

http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Sony_Cyber-shot_DSC_RX100/

At the telephoto end, X10 does a good job providing decent subject/background separation at longer focal lengths with the lens shot wide open.  It's larger than normal 2/3" sensor, and f2.8 max aperture make it one of the better cameras for shallow DOF/bokeh shots (at least up close).

An X10 example image from Flickr (not mine)

X10 candid @ f2.5 - good separation of subject and background

Of course the RX100 has similar shallow DOF abilities provided it focuses this close.  But I just wanted to highlight the fact that the f4.9 max aperture kind of negates DOF control that larger sensors normally provide.  Maybe someone else knows the minimum focus distance of the RX100 at 100mm, but I'm pretty sure the X10 focuses much closer at both ends of it's zoom.

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