B&H selling returned products: Question for Mr. Henry Posner

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Teila Day
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In reply to Slider44, 5 months ago

Slider44 wrote:

klauspauk wrote:


There is a clear difference between purchase and going to a store and handling a camera.

If a customer returns a purchased camera then it becomes a used item or Open Box item and it should be marked and discounted.

WHAT? I hope you are kidding. It only becomes USED when it is USED. This is getting silly now.

If you handle and check out a brand new camera in the store it still is in the possession of the store and therefore still new, no sales transaction happened.

I am flabbergasted. Seriously. So, I can come into your store, handle the item, shoot off a few snaps, and give it back to you and it is still NEW. Yet an unopened box that was sold and shipped to a customer that never opens it when they receive it, and just returns it, has to be considered used when returned???? I hope your kidding.

So, an unopened and unused camera is used because it was SOLD. Really?

Total hogwash. Again, you are confusing SALE, with the classification of the item. Just because an item is sold, does not mean it was ever used, much less opened.

So, I ask you the same question. You own a camera store, and I come in and buy a brand spanking new camera in a box that has never been opened. It get home and change my mind. I turn around and come back to your store to get a full and complete credit. Are you trying to tell me that you can not then put that item back on your shelf as NEW? Are you saying to me that you must now list that item as USED OR OPEN BOX?

If that is what you are saying, I am going to Best Buy today to buy a camera. Take it home, and then return it for a refund. I am then going to go back and make them sell it for USED, or OPEN BOX. (Keep in mind, that Best Buy will give me a complete and full refund if the box is unopened and in original condition).

Sometimes I think people complain just to hear themselves complain, without ever thinking about what they are saying. I can not fathom the retail world if every sold (and returned) item would have to be resold as used or open box. That is simply unrealistic!

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Slider44

I am not complaining. You are the one going on and on an on with this nonsense..

I did not start this thread. I have never once questioned B&H Photo about selling USED items as NEW. Never once. So, I am not the one complaining. I am the one trying to correct what some of you are posting. I have given at least two examples of returned items that would still qualify as being sold again as NEW, and none of you can dispute that.

I have just one more question now to ask you. You posted this comment.

"If you handle and check out a brand new camera in the store it still is in the possession of the store and therefore still new, no sales transaction happened."

klauspauk actually makes a common point in business.  Various people can test drive a car and put 2,500 miles on it; if the same car had only 50 miles on it, and was titled by a customer but never driven, it automatically loses value in a business sense... sometimes the loss can be $20,000 or more (what we used to call the "$20,000 hit" back in the late 80's).  Traditionally those are some of the best deals in the exotic market.

I would not buy a lens or camera that I knew had been "handled" in the store regardless what the store calls it.  I would expect a store to have dedicated dealer samples for people to try-before-they-buy.  I think opening a new box and allowing a customer to handle a product is poor business.  I would slightly discount sample products like many business do.

So, I would ask you this. Would you still consider that camera which is "in the store" that has been handled by 100 or so people, and has two or three scratches, and dings as NEW? After all, it has not been sold yet, and is still in the store as you stated.

I'll let klauspauk answer that for him/herself, but I consider it used.  I reiterate, I also would hope that a dealer would use dedicated sample products later to be sold as a discount, so new-in-box items can be honestly sold as never opened new in box items.

Since many customers are not honest and actually repackage items they've lightly used where it looks like they never opened the box, I generally would not accept returns that aren't defective, which would eliminate that all together.

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