B&H selling returned products: Question for Mr. Henry Posner

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Teila Day
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Re: B&H selling returned products: Question for Mr. Henry Posner
In reply to Slider44, 5 months ago

Slider44 wrote:

Teila Day wrote:

bob5050 wrote:

Teila Day wrote:

[...] I wish the government would prohibit the sale of returned items at new prices... which would essentially force retailers to charge customers for returning other than defective items. I would love to see a restocking fee.

Broke item = fine

Dissatisfied because the D800 shoots too slow for you = 25% restock fee, which the person can chalk up to being punishment for his or her lack of basic planning.

I have no problem with a restocking fee at all. However, some customers clearly favor a free returns policy. To get that, realistically they need to expect to pay more, and/or face the risk that what they receive might be a 'pristine' return item.

Vendors are going to try to tune their policies between price pressure, return-policy pressure, and customer satisfaction pressure (no one likes an unhappy customer--it's bad for business). Since all three measures are available to the informed customer, I don't see that government enforcement of a single approach helps. Some will charge more, some with re-sell more, and some will charge restocking fees. Let the vendors compete.

bob

I made a mistake in my post, as I'm a FIRM believer in industry being able to charge what it wants. I meant to write "I wish the government would prohibit the sale of returned items as 'new' items."

So, you own Teila's Camera Store and I order a camera from you. You ship it. I get in the mail, and I immediately decide that I do not want that camera. I had buyer's remorse.

My policy would be no returns if the item isn't defective.  Depending on the business climate and purchase demographic, I may incorporate a restocking fee.

So, I call you and get a return authorization to return the item at my mailing expense. When you get that item back in your store, are you saying that you can not sell that item as NEW? Keep in mind, I never opened, or even handled the camera.

No, I'm saying that just like when a woman buys a dress and returns it brand new with the tags still on it, it means nothing... because too many people return items that they've used with the tags re-affixed (very common for expensive dresses), or in the case of electronics, repackaged (plastic heat sealed) as if the item was new.  That has been going on for decades both in clothing retail and electronics and is a large reason dress boutiques have an "all sales are final" policy... and any return is on a case-by-case basis other than defective items.

I firmly do not subscribe to buyers remorse.  That comes under the "too bad" heading as far as I'm concerned unless you want to return it to buy an item that's far more expensive- that gives me wiggle room to work with the next guy who wants to buy the return.  I would not sell a return as a "new" item as my returns would be extremely limited to begin with.

Furthermore, if you say you can't sell that item as new, tell me how you would have to sell it. Please don't tell me OPEN BOX, or USED since it has never been handled, much less opened.

First of all, I don't know if you've opened the box or not.  It's common knowledge in retail that many people reseal boxes or reaffix price/brand tags. I won't take your word for it.

I'd sell it as a "returned item" and offer a discount like many businesses have been doing for decades.  I would not allow returns w/out a hefty restock fee unless the item is defective.  That allows me to offer % discount to the buyer of the returned item.

I believe in letting the vendors compete 100% without gov. intervention except for the part where the customer isn't getting what they think they're ordering (e.g. New In Box item). That's where I think the gov. should step in. I feel odd saying that because I usually like the gov. as far away from business as possible...

In my example above, THEY WOULD BE GETTING A NEW CAMERA IN A NEW BOX, THAT HAS NEVER BEEN OPENED. But it was sold previously.

I understand what you are saying but as most retailers know, people return items that they've used, resealed in plastic, tags re-attached, etc..  I won't take your word for it being "new" unless the manufacturer incorporates a seal of sorts that can't readily be resealed by dishonest members of the general public.

You can not say, that just because an item was sold, removes the NEW part of that item. That is untrue and unfair to the retailer. And no retailer would ever do business that way if they had to take losses continually based on those facts.

Obviously you don't buy clothing.  In business it isn't always about whether something is new.  It's about whether it can potentially be used, and repackaged as new.  It is also common knowledge in electronics that many electronic items are returned "as new", but the customer actually removed some parts that go undetected by laymen.  On board graphics, ram, etc.. used to be popular items to steal. Ram was easy to spot missing if you were inclined to look, but Suzy Q. accepting the returned item wouldn't know whether the on-board graphics/sound/math chip was removed or not.

I understand what you are saying because the concept is simple, but you seemingly fail to understand that many successful businesses do not allow unopened returns because of fraud.

Only when an item is indeed used, should that item have to be sold as USED. In your argument, car dealers would never be allowed to let customers test drive the vehicles because that means they were used by someone else.

I knew that was coming.  Not even close to being the same thing because the expectation is not the same in the mind of the consumer.  People expect cars to be test driven.  People expect that a new pair of shoes may have been tried on by others in the store.  People do not expect to pay for a $13,000 800mm lens that is sold as new, though it's been shipped across the U.S. (back and forth) whether it's been used or not.

Many dealers also have dedicated cars that they use for test drives, and those cars are often sold at a discount.

Same goes for aircraft, medium format digital cameras, and many other items that are often (not always) sold at a discount after x many customers have had their mitts on them.

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