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Re: Hear, Hear!
In reply to nzmacro,
4 months ago
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nzmacro wrote:
texinwien wrote:
Dave Sanders wrote:
nzmacro wrote:
stimmer wrote:
The size of the EM5 gives it a very specific niche in which you can take very stealth photos without people noticing, and it's so light you can carry it as a second camera with no issues. Not saying the GH3 is big either, but the perception is there.
This always makes me smile. Why do you guys feel the need to be sneaky, underhanded and hide when taking street shots. Are you scared of getting thumped ??
No, not at all. Anyone who tried would find the thumping would most likely go the other way, or at the very minimum I'd steal their ice cream and eat it in front of them.
If you are scared of getting thumped, then you are doing something wrong or you must feel like you are doing wrong, hence the need to...... hide.
Why not stand up and just take shots ??
Indeed!
All the best and never understood it. I would call it dishonest photography, hey just an opinion
And a largely incorrect opinion. I enjoy candid photography, and candid street photography at that. By definition, if someone notices you, it is not candid. Henri Cartier-Bresson went to great lengths for stealth, including famously wrapping his Leica's in black or using a handkerchief to pretend he was blowing his nose...or even standing on a ladder and hiding around corners. People like Paul Strand and Helen Levitt documented life unnoticed from the sidelines as well. William Eggleston's popularization of colour photography had much to do with his ability to capture mundane, private moments and make them feel immediate and real. Phillip-Lorca diCorcia's outstanding 'Heads' series takes capturing an unsuspecting subject to a sort of stage-managed brilliance.
Candid street photography has long been the domain of stealth, of taped-up logos, waist-level finders and zone focusing. And it has not been done by bearded, trench-coated photographic flashers but by the greats, the giants of photography. The urge to capture life and life's emotions unvarnished and unnoticed is a noble one. The 'decisive moment' doesn't involve consent and a signed model release, sorry.
I don't know if you meant it to come off that way, but your pretentious derision of a style of photography you feel to be 'dishonest' or, likely, beneath you, is fatuous at best and, at worst, woefully ignorant of a large part of the foundation of photography. When lots of the world's most famous photographers and a whole slew of smart folk on this forum do something with such purpose, perhaps it is best to assume they may know something you don't rather than to assume that they are sneaky, underhanded, dishonest or scared of being thumped.
Or stick to courageous pursuit of birds and macros, for it is most certain you are at no risk of being thumped.
-- Dave Sanders
I posted an answer to nzmacro, but withdrew it after seeing yours, as you did an excellent job of it.
I'd like to add that there are other times when I want to take candid photos, not just when I'm out on the street, but also when I'm with friends or family. The larger the camera, the more aware of it people are, and the more posed they remain. A smaller camera allows people to relax, and take less notice, to be themselves.
I attend a number of events to which I'm invited - concerts, where the musicians have invited me, exhibitions, where the artists have invited me, parties for friends, family events, group activities with friends and acquaintances, etc.
Most of my friends, family and acquaintances know that, if I'm there, I'll be taking pictures, many of them candids. I used to do this with a DSLR, but with the OM-D, I find people are much more relaxed, and I get a much higher rate of unposed photos. I share these photos with the subjects after I process them, and the subjects usually have nothing but thanks for me. It's nice to have a record of an event that shows the 'real' atmosphere of the event, rather than the posed reactions of people who know they're being photographed.
So, fooey on the 'dishonest' balderdash. Seems to me it was said in an unthinking manner and with the intention of offending those whose opinions differ from the opinions of the judgmental sayer.
tex
LOL, reminds of a line in a song.... "Stand up and be counted"
Hey I bet its all fine until one day, you open up a post on DPR and find a photo of yourself picking your nose on the street, then it changes huh
To each their own and like I said, its not illegal.
Then again its not illegal for me to have an opinion and different ethics either and there it is.
All the best.
Danny.
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Birds and macro. NEX and m4/3
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/nzmacro/
Sure, you're entitled to your own opinion. It's when you become judgmental of those whose ethics and opinions differ from yours that you start to come across as provincial, especially if you're unable to build an ironclad case for why your ethics are objectively better than those of the people you're judging.
Perhaps you skimmed my reply, but you completely skirted the issue of taking candid photos in private settings where I have been invited, and where I am known by the subjects of my photographs. While I think there are enough people who are made uncomfortable by the idea of stealthy street photography, I sincerely doubt that there are many who'd have any ethical qualms with a photographer who takes candid photos of people he knows (and who know him) with their implicit permission.
So, your dismissive and judgmental attitude is silly on two fronts. First, because you think your ethics are better than the ethics of those who are fine with stealth street photography, and, second, because you completely ignore the much less ethically questionable practice of taking candid photos of people one knows, with those peoples' implicit permission.
tex
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