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Re: re: about perspective
In reply to jpr2,
4 months ago
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jpr2 wrote:
Mike Fewster wrote:
jpr2 wrote:
Mike Fewster wrote:
I agree with your statement, but it isn't the point. An approx 45mm lens on a 35mm camera keeps objects in the shot in about the same perspective as the human eye. ie, the size of the elements of the objects in the image, relative to each other, are about what you see with the human eye.
only to some extent (and of course sharpness is the second part of the equation - at least as important as perspective) - after all the geometrical perspective is defined as the spatial relationship of dimensional and angular interaction of all objects in a given scene. And these relationships depend just on object's relative sizes and their distances to the observer(that is lens or eye). From a given vantage point these relationships will be the same - independently of the FLs used. If we crop image (taken from the same vantage point) by 10mm lens to the FOV given from that point by 20mm lens, their geometrical perspective will be the same !!
jpr2
Interesting discussion. But I can't agree. We are talking about peripheral sharpness here. That varies when viewed by the eye but is fixed on an image. The eye can change focal point as it moves across a scene. A photographic image can't. The perception of the latter of course depends on the size of the print and the viewing distance. ie, when comparing perceived areas of sharpness of a photographic image with what the eye would perceive looking at the same scene, other factors come into play that are independent of the focal length of the lens.
but... this is what I'm saying all along - the photograph is but a feeble attempt to "reproduce" what we saw with our so poor optical apparatus made mostly of lots of water and some concoction of various proteins !! So, to what you can't agree?
Re perspective, isn't that what we are discussing here? ie the fov of uncropped shots at a particular focal length and the perception of relative size and distance in the image compared to what the eye sees.
I hope you don't propose that perspective between these two examples is different?
the only difference is FOV, but perspective is the same in both
jpr2
I was pointing out that the perceived sharpness of both the image and the scene are different in that the eye cannot take in the whole scene in one sharp focus, whereas a camera image can, subject to the f stop control of dof determined by the photographer. And this will also vary according to the focal length of the lens and the f stop used.
The image you have shown appears to be exactly the same image, just cropped, which is not the same thing at all as using a different lens. I don't have actual samples at hand to demonstrate, but here is an extreme example to accentuate the point I am making. Iimagine the following. Use an 8mm focal length on a ff to take a portrait where the face fills the frame. You will need to be quite close to do this. Now use a 300mm focal length to take a portrait where the face pretty much fills the frame. The photos will be nothing alike, even though both just fill the frame with the subject.
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Mike Fewster
Adelaide Australia
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