I am pretty sure Marianne's experiment is flawed

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Robin Casady
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Re: I am pretty sure Marianne's experiment is flawed
In reply to bigpigbig, 4 months ago

bigpigbig wrote:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50073569

Since this "experiment" that Marianne did is being used in several AF threads, I have to chime in here. Please don't take this personally, but when I read it, something didn't sit right with me.

Placing an "aperture" in front of the lens is NOT the same as reducing the aperture of the lens.

Lenses are geometrically designed to focus light passing through an aperture. If the aperture is moved, the lens doesn't focus in the same way.

A simple way to show this is create a camera obscura with a sizable aperture. Place an appropriate focal length lens over the aperture. Voila, the image is focused. Move the lens away from the aperture and the image is not in focus (not matter where the focal plane is located).

Another mind experiment would be to imaging focusing on a forest through a hole in a cave. The "mask" is further in front of the lens than the paper (and made of rock) in Marianne's experiment, but it is still in front of the lens. The focus achieved on the trees in the forest is not "stopped down" to the effective aperture of the cave walls.

Is it?

I don't really know the answer, but I have a few thoughts.

The post you linked to describes creating a central obstruction on the lens. This the reverse of what an aperture iris does. The iris blocks the outer area of the lens, leaving the center clear.

I'm familiar with central obstructions in telescopes. Most reflecting telescopes have a central obstruction (usually a mirror in the optical train). The larger the central obstruction, the lower the contrast of the scope. So, by adding a large central obstruction to her lens, Marianne is lowering image contrast that reaches the AF points. I don't know whether this contrast reduction alone is enough to be the cause for AF failure.

My (limited) understanding is that the size of a central objstruction does not change the f/ratio of a telescope. It is measured by the focal length divided by the dia. of the optics, regardless of the size of the central obstruction.

I believe you do have a point about the location of objstruction in the optical path. The lens iris is placed optical axis of the lens. However, Marianne may understand the concequences, of where her central obstruction is placed, better than I do.

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