World's happiest and most prosperous countries.

Started Jan 20, 2013 | Discussions thread
RossAndrew
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Re: World's happiest and most prosperous countries.
In reply to Bill Randall, Jan 21, 2013

Bill Randall wrote:

RossAndrew wrote:

Bill Randall wrote:

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Chato wrote:

RossAndrew wrote:

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KEVZPHOTOS wrote:

carlk wrote:

The top ten list from nonpartision Legatum Institute.

1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Sweden
4. Australia
5. New Zealand
6. Canada
7. Finland
8. The Netherlands
9. Switzerland
10. Ireland

I had a hard time to find one on the list that is NOT a "socialist", "income redistribute", "tax and spending" and "godless" country according to out right wing friends. Perhaps those are not bad things after all.

I would not disagree with that listing in a general sense.

Altho, these kind of rankings seldom take into account the smaller nations...which also may be 'happy' places to reside.

For example, a place like Malta could be an example.

I would also think that Malaysia and Singapore would be pretty high up on any list like this today.

KEV

Exactly. How do you measure happiness? There are villages where people cannot read or write but they are happy. Happiness is based upon many different things within any given society. When comparing one society to another, the things that make people happy within each society changes.

I hope you don't mind if I but in here Bill. I use You and Don D, Lyle and people like you on this site as a yardstick to measure how I feel about life. You and the naysayers here just make me feel so happy. I often wonder why you guys are so unwilling to try to broaden your outlook on a range of subjects and how you got so set in your ways.

Thanks.

Cheap Bourbon....

Now Bill thinks that paying a Living Wage would bankrupt all companies in America. Fortunately, all the countries on his list have mandated living wages - Ain't it strange that they have higher standards of livings then we do?

Dave

Wrong. I actually said I need to think about it. It sounds good, but how would it work?

In regards to them having a higher standard of living than we do, I would challenge that. Yes, their society may have a higher standard of living, but perhaps they don't have the leeches that we have.

When all is said and done, bourbon may be the only answer. If things really get bad, cheap beer will do.

Bill wrote.

"but perhaps they don't have the leeches that we have."

Bill the tax avoiders and so called leeches as you put it even each other out.

How is it they even each other out?

True. We have a tax department that are like terriers and prosecution's are relentless with full payment with interest in full, from the largest company to the average brick layer/carpenter. This is also carried out at the other end of the spectrum by social security on your so called leeches.

You seem stuck on this in your reasoning.

You can encourage people to do better. You can also encourage people not to do better. This is why a society that rewards good workers and not non workers in the long run will do better. Now, I am not saying we don't need some changes, because we do.

We tried individual work contracts a few years ago, and didn't like them we have now reverted to collective agreements. This has server us well since 1009. please have a look at this.

http://www.worksite.actu.org.au/fact-sheets/history-harvester-judgement.aspx

This what we call a living wage and it does work. people tend to work harder and are happier if they are getting a good wage. Companies prosper as well.

We spend a lot of money on children because it could pay off in the long run. But too many have no appreciation for this and just want society to provide more.

We have lots of people havering babies, it;s part of life, yes we do pay them. As it stands now there's 3 months paid leave and 9 months unpaid if needed. Our conservative party want 12 months full pay split between gov and company, but us lefties think that's to much.

Stuck? If a person is mentally or physically impaired provide them with help. If a person is able to work they should. If a single woman has a child she cannot afford she should be penalized along with the father. The more individual responsibility is downplayed the more a society is doomed. Alright, where did I go wrong?

Bill this is the twentieth century we don't punish people for having a baby out of wedlock, you support them and get them back to work as soon as possible.

Babies, more than anything else a person may acquire, have demands that must be met. Babies come with responsibilities. Do you buy a car or anything else you cannot afford? Do you ask your neighbor to help you pay for your new car? You probably don't and if you did your neighbor would tell you the payment is your responsibility.

Babies are not cars they are humans of the future. They are part of the community and should be cared for in some part by the community as a whole, this means a few dollars per person's tax and in return their children will receive the same. I fail to see the comparison between a car and a child.

Yes, you have to support them and get them back to work as soon as possible. And of course you encourage other women to do the same thing. No choice. However, there should be some penalty that makes women and the father think about this more than once. With all the contraceptives on the market there is little reason for this situation.

There is no need for a penatly to be put on a person for child bearing. May I suggest that a fair wage so that these people can start to save and obtain a few of the things in life that will help give them a sense well being, House/car/food on there table and an education for there child. This will brake the cycle that you referring too.

Yes, this is the twentieth century. People have responsibilities - to themselves and to others.

Bill if you tried to open a business in Australia with your way of thinking, you would be closing your doors in the first week. People work harder and faster and happier when they have a great trust and relationship with their boss and work mates in a safe environment. We and a lot of other countries have had this system now for a hundred years or so were still here and doing well.

I do not disagree with this paragraph. Let me point out, however, relationships are built on trust and trust reflects responsibility, and if responsibility is not demanded it will diminish.

Doesn't work quite like that here, No one demands here, we work together trust is achieved by boss and employee working together, the type of company you speak about would quickly fall over or at least loose out because of  pore productivity bought about through the class of worker they would be able to get.

Even your Chevron is happy to work here, they pay union wager's and all taxes and a 12.5% wealth tax and there still investing.

Your lack of regulation of banking and financial companies plus your trickle down economics don't work, the proof is in the pudding. Look at your economy now.

Government should be policing our financial institutions. However, they seem to be in bed together.

Our problems are too great to point a finger at one thing and say that is the reason our economy is the way it is. If I had to point at one thing it would be Nancy Pelosi stating Congress had to hurry up and pass the healthcare bill so they could see what was in it. The largest most expensive bill in our history and nobody read it until after it was passed. This is what we send these people to Washington to do? Doesn't this indicate a very high degree of irresponsibility? Of stupidity?

I believe that your new health system will pay you benefits in the long run, No one should make a profit out some one else sickness. Hopefully the huge costs of privet health will come down to a point where the two gov/privet can work together to give everyone a better service as it does in the so called socialist country's that you think we are.

Regards

Andy

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