Caution ! Dynamic AF versus single point AF... !

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Kerry Pierce
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Re: Dynamic Area AF-C initial focus acquistion behavior is not that new
In reply to SteveL54, 5 months ago

SteveL54 wrote:

The latest firmware version of the D3s is 1.01. The D3 uses a different firmware load.

Yes. I didn't realize that she was talking of the d3 until I went back to read it again, so then I went to NikonUSA to determine the latest firmware. Mine is the latest, so I don't understand why the d3s firmware would produce different results than what Marianne was getting with the d3 v2 firmware, unless it is later than the d3s v1.01.  I didn't check that.

From what I've read, the manuals do not state the rules associated with how 9-pt AF-C achieves initial subject acquisition. It only has a brief statement about subject tracking:

"Dynamic-area AF: Select the focus point as described on page 96. In AF-C focus mode, the camera will focus based on information from surrounding focus points if the subject briefly leaves the selected point."

This statement does not address how the camera is supposed to acquire the subject in the first place.

It seems quite clear to me that the initial acquisition is intended to be on the AF point that I select. In every manual that I checked, d3s, d800, d7k, d300, the verbiage is the same, in that, "User selects the focus point manually, if the subject leaves the selected point, then the AF will use the surrounding points."

It never, in any manual, states that it will use the outer points for AF, without it having first left the one selected by the user. Sorry, but I don't think the manual is ambiguous at all.

I just tested my d800, d7000, d3s, d300 and d700 again, using AF-C 21 pt dynamic, center point chosen, all using the same lens, 135 f/2 DC. I have a large piece of cardboard with high contrast B&W AF focus targets taped to one side. I placed it in the doorway of a darkened room and started the AF of each camera in the darkened room, using the AF-On button. The transition from the darkened room to the white AF targets is the easiest complete change of contrast that I can think of, while having a sharp, definitive edge for the AF points to see. None of the cameras could achieve focus in the darkness. Only the d800 and d7000 achieved focus on the outer points, as they transitioned from the darkness onto the AF target.

The d3s, d300 and d700 outer points would pass over the edge without doing anything. Focus was only achieved, with these 3 bodies, with the selected center point, when it hit the edge of the target. So, my test conclusions don't agree with yours on the d300.

When you test your D300 in 9-pt dynamic area mode does it lock on subject contrast one full row over when nothing is under the selected center point? What firmware version do you have in the D300? (latest is 1.10)

My firmware is 1.10 on both A and B.

I didn't try to check 9 pt.  My test setup is too dark to easily see exactly where the AF boxes are, but more importantly, I don't know the exact size and shape of each AF point, relative to those boxes shown in the screen.  It isn't unusual for the actual AF point to be larger than the box representing it. To properly test whether or not 9 pt is the same as 21 pt, I'd have to have a much more precise knowledge of the actual size of the AF points in each camera and then change the test target to a larger white area to contrast with a large, precisely edged black line.

At this point, I see no reason to believe that 9 pt behavior is any different than 21.

Kerry

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