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Re: Three Quick Questions vs The Enjoyment of Photography
In reply to grumpyolderman,
4 months ago
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grumpyolderman wrote:
Great Bustard wrote:
Equivalent photos have the same perspective, framing, DOF, and shutter speed. The consequence of this is that the same total amount of light is projected on the sensor. Thus, if the sensors are equally efficient, the noise will be the same.
However, often there is enough light so that the FF photographer can achieve the same DOF with a lower shutter speed, thus putting much more light on the sensor, and thus less noise. Alternatively, the FF photographer can use a more shallow DOF for a given shutter speed, if the more shallow DOF is desirable, or, at least, more desirable than the higher noise. The consequence of the more shallow DOF for a given shutter speed once again projects more total light on the sensor, and thus less noise.
You see, different usage of words, for me equivalent is same ISO, same exposure time, same f-stop, which will result in shallower DOF in FF, but same exposure.
http://www.josephjamesphotography.com/equivalence/#equivalence
Equivalent photos are photos of a given scene that share the following five parameters:
Seems natural to me to use the word "equivilant" to mean photos with the most similar visual properties that don't depend on the equipment.
So, if you see FF photos having a noise advantage, it is because the FF photographer is taking photos that are not Equivalent.
So, what are DPR doing "wrong" in their IQ comparison tool, do they use same amount of light, same DOF? FF have here easily two ISO range advantage in noise to m43?
You have to ask DPR about that. In any case, another variable is the RAW converter and the RAW converter settings. Using the same RAW converter at default settings for all systems may seem even-handed, but that places quite a bit of faith in whoever wrote the RAW converter. It's one of the reasons that many prefer DxOMark's results, as they analyze the file before it's been converted.
Of course, such an analysis merely tells you the potential of the equipment, not what you'll get out of it with your software.
Hopefully, that answers your questions without being overly technical. By the way, I have to ask: older than what?
Well nearly, it clarifies things a bit, but I am sure we get to the bottom....older....than I used to be but also grumpier...no grumpyoldman was not possible, there is such a guy on DPR, I wager DPR has many of them
Now that's a good answer!
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