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Re: Photographer's Opinon on Photography Contract?
In reply to Draek,
5 months ago
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Draek wrote:
decimusmaximus7 wrote:
Draek,
You are absolutely wrong on this issue. You should not be spreading this information.
Copyright is NOT the right to use the work in any fashion seen fit. Almost any fashion? Yes, I can concede that, but not if you are going to benefit financially without first getting permission from any private person whose identifiable likeness appears in the image.
Or if part of the copyrighted work falls afoul of an unlicensed patent, or if it violates local laws concerning adult materials, or... hell, you can't violate the laws of physics with a copyrighted work no matter how you try, either.
I believe the context was quite clear, and I did mention the issue of model releases for the specific situation you mentioned. Point is, as far as copyright law goes you're now a licensee, and the part you played in the creation of the work is completely and utterly irrelevant for trying to control its subsequent reproduction by its current copyright holder, ie what you're actually trying to do.
Case to point from the Mississippi Court of Appeals: HARBIN v. JENNINGS HFAC NPF NPF
I'm going to link to the case on FindLaw instead of providing a proper citation. This is controlling law on this issue if you were to bring suit in the State of Mississippi.
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ms-court-of-appeals/1056777.html
Here, a photographer took a senior portrait for a yearbook and then later sold the portrait for $100 to a frame company to be used as the stock photo in frames they sell. The jury found for the senior, awarding her $25,000 in damages plus an additional $25,000 against the photographer and $25,000 against the framing company in punitive damages. While the Court of Appeals did send this case back down to the trial court to retry the issue of damages, they did clearly hold that "Both defendants benefited economically from their actions and both may be made to answer for what is recognized as the willful tort of invasion of privacy."
Sure, but that's not about copyright at all, and copyright is the only relevant piece of law that'd possibly give you a stake in this.
As to your point about negotiating directly with the model, that is correct, but the only reason that I am involved is because the model has come to me because she does not want her image used in local advertising. She only wants her image used in nationally recognized campaigns.
And why would she come to you for that? well, I'd understand if it is for moral support, but legally speaking you've absolutely no business on what the photographer does with the photos. She might, depending on how the photographer uses her likeness and relevant laws of the place, but you most certainly don't, as you gave them all away in your contract.
Moral support? Who goes and speaks to an attorney for moral support? These posts from you are bordering on the ridiculous, so this will be my last reply.
Sure that case it not about copyright. It is about the issue that I asked about in my very first post and every subsequent post. If you are still unsure about the issue that we have been talking about, try re-reading the thread. The issue we have been discussing is what happens to a photographer who has copyright to an image but chooses to use the images to make money with that include a likeness of a person that they do not have permission from. That is the issue in my situation and the issue that was decided in the above case. Copyright is not a broad grant of permission, as my photographer thought.
So "legally speaking", I have plenty of business on what the photographer does with the photos. The model is my client. Not only could I sue on her behalf, I could also sue on my own to protect my firm's interests based upon the contract that the model signed with the firm that granted me power of attorney coupled with an interest in all usage of the images.
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