GH2 vs GH3 - Long Exposures and Astrophotography (Test shots inside)

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Zoeff
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Re: GH2 vs GH3 - Long Exposures and Astrophotography (Test shots inside)
In reply to Anders W, 6 months ago

Anders W wrote:

Zoeff wrote:

Anders W wrote:

mpgxsvcd wrote:

This is with the lens covered. No light is getting in. This is just testing the read noise of the sensor. Focal ratio is irrelevant in this test. I could just done this test without a lens. I have ones at the same Focal Ratio as well. However, it doesn't affect the image so I just posted the first two I had.

The point of this test is that when you have a truly dark background like at a dark site the GH2 will cast a purple hue of noise over the whole image even with the in camera noise reduction on.

The GH3 does not. You simply get a black image with some spots of isolated noise where you have bad pixels. You can use the in camera long shutter noise reduction to eliminate the noise from bad pixels. It really isn't worth the extra time though. They are not noticeable unless you display it 1:1.

OK. So these are intended to be black-frame shots with the lens covered by the lens-cap or what? And in completely dark surroundings or not?

When doing such shots, I always take the extra precaution of a) going into a very dark room and b) using the smallest aperture possible (rather than f/1.4) since there's always a possibility that some photons find their way in, especially at shutter speeds as long as one minute.

Of course I can't be sure that problems of that kind are responsible for the visible difference between your two shots and I am, as I said, prepared to believe that the GH3 does better. But a more interesting test of that would be to shoot a bright object (take some street lamps if the stars aren't visible) against a dark background and then match brightness as well as contrast. In the shots you show, that from the GH2 is for whatever reasons visibly brighter than that from the GH3.

Anders W wrote:

Sorry but what are you trying to prove with this comparison? The GH2 was given 2 EV more exposure (f/1.4 rather f/2.8, shutter speed and ISO the same) and thus reaches a brightness where you can see the noise. The GH3 image is pretty much at black level so less visible noise.

While the GH3 probably does better than the GH2 for noise at ISO 4000, this doesn't tell us a whole lot about the visible difference when the two are shot under comparable conditions.

Isn't that exactly what my images show? The brightness of the dimly lit trees is actually lower in the GH2 shot and yet the noise is brighter compared to the GH3 shot. (They're also 60 second exposures)

Yes, your test is a more interesting one. The only thing that puzzles me is that the OOC jpeg from the GH3 is so much brighter than that from the GH2. If you shoot the same scene in exactly the same light using exactly the same lens, f-stop, shutter speed, and camera ISO setting, the brightness of the OOC jpegs should be virtually identical. Camera makers are forced to ensure that in order to comply with the ISO standard.

That is probably because there simply isn't any signal at all for most of the image in the GH2 shot. Remember, changing ISO's doesn't actually change the sensitivity of the sensor.

(And even then, there's plenty of variation in the brightness of the JPEG output among manufacturers, mostly because they apply differently shaped tone curves)

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