Sold my Panasonic 20mm for the 25mm WHAT A DIFFERENCE "wow"

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bobn2
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Re: I think the effect you are seeing...
In reply to CharlesB58, 5 months ago

CharlesB58 wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

is what a "top tier" lens looks like. The very best lenses get attributed with extra qualities often described as "pop" or 3D. I would definitely put the 25mm F1.4 in this class although I would put the Zuiko 50mm F2 even higher. The very best lenses just have that extra bit of quality that make them stand out. The best bit about the two lenses I've mentioned is the price, lenses that are this good and cost what they do are really excellent value for money IMHO.

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Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, zoom lenses were virtually non-existent and lenses were designed by guys with slide rulers, Leica established a rep for lenses that offered higher contrast and better elimination of flare, CA and astigmatic distortion than most other lenses of a given focal length. This was a result of a combination of factors, not only in design but in the elements used for construction. Tolerances were very tight. High quality glass and coatings were used. Even the tolerance of the lens mount flange and how precisely the film was kept parallel to the lens contributed to the outstanding image quality of Leica optics. It was mainly the higher contrast that led to the idea of the "Leica Look".

While this is right to an extent, the reasons are not. Remember that lens coating, invented by Zeiss, was not invented until just before WWII and not available on commercial products until after the war. Pre war, Zeiss had a range of fast lenses, the Planar and Sonnar. The Planar had 8 air/glass surfaces, and without coating would never be contrasty. The Sonnar had only 6 and was more contrasty but nowhere near as sharp. Leitz simply did not have fast lenses. You could buy a Schneider Xenon which was a double gauss like the Planar, and performed the same. When Leitz brought out its own double gauss, the Summar which was even lower contrast than the Planar. After the war, the Zeiss coating patents were expropriated by the Allies and became generally available, including in occupied Japan. Coating provided the means to make high contrast lenses with more air/glass surfaces, which in turn meant that lenses faster than f/2.8 with high contrast and sharpness became a possibility. Pre war, the 'Leica look' was the less sharp more contrasty images produced by slower lenses with fewer elements according to the pragmatic design of Max Berek, Leitz simply could not match Zeiss (or for that matter Voigtlander) for sharpness, but then they were a much smaller company, without the resources.

As the Japanese companies copied Leica designs, to make them cheaper they used cheaper glass and more lax tolerances.

Not really. Firstly, mostly they 'copied' Zeiss designs, and the 'they' was Nippon Kogaku. Secondly, it is a myth that the designs were 'copies', yes they used the expropriated patents for lens configurations, but were recalculated and introduced some novel design features. The later (mid late '50's) Japanese optical works such as Asahi, Canon, Zunow, Mamiya, Minolta also started off making independent versions of the Nippon Kogaku lenses, and then branched out to some highly innovative designs. What isn't true is that the Japanese companies use 'cheaper glass' and 'more lax tolerances'. In fact, the Japanese companies were at the forefront of using rare earth glasses, and their tolerances were as good as anywhere.

The result was many Japanese made lenses for 35mm lacked the "snap" of Leitz lenses, even though the actual design was identical.

Neither of those things is true. The major difference between the Nippon Kogaku philosophy of design and the German one is that the Germans designed for flatness of field and even resolution across the frame, whereas Nippon Kogaku emphasised sharpness at the centre of the frame. The outcome was that in the centre field, where the subject usually was, they were sharper than the German lenses. Post war, under the direction of Walter Mandler, the Leica philosophy changed somewhat, to the pursuit of excellence at elevated prices.

When Nikon introduced the F series "system 35mm slr" they designed their lenses with the idea of rendering higher contrast than other Japanese makers usually achieved. In some cases, photographers felt the contrast was too high. The result was the evolution of the "Nikon look" helping to drive the F series into the position of the top 35mm slr system for over a decade. This was achieved by using multicoating instead of just single coating, and coating more lens elements when other makers coated only the front element.

The IC (Integrated coating) lenses appeared in 1971, long after the F (1959) was already established as the PJ's camera of choice. Already, Pentax had SMC and Zeiss T*. The early F lenses carried on the design philosophy of Nippon Kogaku's RF lenses.

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Edited 5 months ago by bobn2
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