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Re: The best 85/1.8 for m43?
In reply to clengman,
5 months ago
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clengman wrote:
Allan Brown wrote:
clengman wrote:
bowportes wrote:
I've found it interesting recently that some -- not in this particular thread -- have begun referring to the 75mm Oly (150mm equivalent) as a "portrait lens." In this case, an 85mm (170mm equivalent) is serving for portrait work.
The shots of the lovely woman in this post, however, remind me why no one referred to 135mm, 150mm, and 200mm lenses as "portrait lenses" back in the 70s and 80s. Such focal lengths unnaturally compress facial features, as is evident in these portraits. If one cares more about bokeh than about retaining natural looking depth perspective in a subject's face, then 75mm or 85mm is a good choice for micro four-thirds portraits. If one seeks a more natural looking portrait though, the 35mm to 55mm FL range is a better choice. That is the reason the old 85mm f1.8 lenses were produced -- they were ideal for natural-perspective portraiture. Unfortunately, they cannot accomplish the same on micro four-thirds cameras, where they become 170mm equivalents. (They do get transformed into nice telephoto lenses though.)
Baloney. 135mm lenses were definitely marketed as portrait lenses and still are.
On a FF camera in a studio, for headshots, you wouldn't want to go much shorter than 135.
My favorite lens right now is my 40-150 zoom that I use extensively all the way up to 150mm for people pictures outdoors.
Not sure where you got this idea that 135mm equivalent is too long.
No, I have to disagree.
The "portrait" lenses were considered to be in the 80-110 range. Example, Nikon made the 85 and the 105 for portraits. They were more expensive than the 135. The 135 was considered a short tele that "could" be used for portraits.
If you were a Nikon portrait photographer, you would be using the 85 or the 105.
The 105 is still considered to be one of Nikon's classics.
Anyway, I have the old pre-ai 85 f1.8. This is an incredible lens on full frame but not so good on apsc or m4/3 - lots of PF. it is also heavy and short - making it awkward on m/43
I also have the 105 f2.5 and the 135 f3.5. The 105 is, by far, the best of the bunch. I got it recently in mint condition for $35. Being longer and not as wide as the 85, it fits better with my G3.
Allan
You can disagree all you want. Until recently Canon carried a 135mm f/2.8 with "soft focus control, " and Nikon had the 135/2 AF-DC with "defocus control" You don't think those were considered portrait lenses?
For headshots it's not unheard of to go even longer than this.
You can "baloney" all you want, but he is exactly right. Prior to the 1990s, 80-110 was considered the standard "portrait lens" range, and 135mm was considered the shortest of the standard telephoto focal lengths. Brochures advertising manufacturer's lens offerings were often classified in that fashion. This doesn't mean you couldn't get decent portraits from a 135 (which was the first "telephoto lens" for most beginning 35mm photographers), just as you could from a 50 (the standard "normal lens" in those days), but purchasers of a "portrait lens" generally bought something in the 80-110mm range.
The reason this was considered the standard for a portraits was the camera-to-subject distance it required for an upper torso and face portrait. The shots of the woman on this thread are a perfect example of the flattening of perspective produced by the greater camera-to-subject distance required by a 170mm FL (35mm equivalent) for the same kind of shot.
None of this is really debatable. If you want only a head shot, a 135mm lens (or even longer) is the better portrait lens, because it places the photographer a similar distance from the subject that an 85mm lens might require for an upper torso and head shot. If you want a full-body (standing) portrait, an even shorter FL becomes the ideal "portrait lens" because it preserves the same camera-to-subject distance.
That said, all of these are general rules of thumb that would make for a boring monotony of portraiture if people didn't violate them all the time.
No baloney though. That's just the way lenses were classified in those days. I bought my first hexanon "portrait lens," an 85mm, in about 1976. I remember well how Konica classified their FL offerings and which ones they called "portrait lenses," as opposed to short telephotos. The classification system may have been flawed, but that's the way it was.
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