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Re: I understand that you are interested in being right.......
In reply to Hughesnet,
6 months ago
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Hughesnet wrote:
DFPanno wrote:
Hughesnet wrote:
DFPanno wrote:
Hughesnet wrote:
DFPanno wrote:
.....is that they tend to morph into a series of comments that have no real relationship to the tone and tenor of the original post.
All that you have stated is true; I might even be inclined to suggest that it is self-evident.
That said, I think the OP made an accurate (not particularly novel, but accurate) statement regarding the camera relative to its cost.
At its price one better be sure that it is what you really want because more broadly capable cameras are available for similar money.
Whether or not all those other features are needed/valued would logically be part of that assesment as would a comparison of size/weight/bulk.
My guess is that for most people it is a mute point as this will be a secondary camera with some brand of ILC also in the bag (or the front hall closet).
Again, I looking forward to your pictures.
Best-
The term is moot. not mute.
You're right there.
I disagree that there are cameras that are similarly priced with more capabilities.
Really? Amazon has the 5D3 kit for $3,700.00. If you are buying the RX1 comfortably and you want to miximize its potential you are going to buy an EVF or OVF with it.
When all is said and done that you are near enough to Canon's flagship prosumer SLR.
Run the numbers on a kit D600 or 6D.
Run a 6D and a 35 1.4 L
Fact: You can produce National Geographic images with a lowly 24-105L so conversations about comparable lenses is nerd talk for 99% of DPR let alone the Cyber-shot forum.
Ask any Pro you know what combo he would chose if he had to spend the rest of his life with just one. Ask why.
I also disagree with the OPs point relative to the cost and what this camera brings to the table. Since you want to play the on topic card. If this camera was being discussed in the Nikon or Canon DSLR forums it wouldnt even come up as a large amount of money.
Most certainly not true. Almost everybody there considers a $3,500.00 fixed focal length compact camera expensive. Those that don't rationalize it with a not wholly appropriate (IMHO) Leica comparison.
I suppose it is a good thing it isn't a $3500 camera then. Are you able to rationalize your point of view without stacking on the accessories and comparing the Zeiss lens to kit lenses by Canon and Nikon? If not then you really aren't making your point.
But you are not.
I made a central premise: People buying the RX1 comfortably will purchase a OVF or an EVF. That's not "stacking" the camera with accessories.
$2800 + $400 = $3200.
$2800 + $600 = $3400
D600 $2000 + 35 FX $1600 = $3600.00
Where I live $3400 = $3600 when it comes to buying fancy cameras. Anyone who disagrees with that can't afford any of these cameras so the discussion is moot and they should be mute.
Anyone who understands what SLRs are and what they do will tell you that the SLR is the more broadly capable imaging machine. That's a fact; not my rinky-dinky opinion.
We can argue ad nauseum about individual needs/wants/perceptions but most people would consider the SLR more capable in the generally agreed upon sense of things.
I don't know what your background is.
That's not really relevant but I began shooting an SLR (an EXA) around 1963.
But I have quite a lot of experience with DSLRs and yet you continually refer to this magical group of professional DSLR users out there and make sweeping comments that they would all agree with your point of view. Sorry, but that is rather weak on your part.
My point of view is that an RX1, lovely as it is, cannot come close to the broad capabilities of an SLR. That's NOT a "sweeping statement"
Yes, a SLR IS more capable. Never said it wasn't. But it is only really more capable in that it has PD-AF and the ability to use multiple lenses. Pretty much everything else you want is there. Oh, and the pro models have slots for 2 cards.
Diminish all you want but the fact is that a nice FF SLR can do everything a RX1 can do and then some. You can't come close to making that claim for the RX1, or the X100, or the Merrils.
Fact is the view finders are optional. Add them in if you want but I don't find that comparison to be apples to apples. The D600 comparison is the closest you can get and I still have reservations on the lens IQ matching the Zeiss 35f2.
I don't
Let's say it is close enough, the only good camera is the camera you have with you. that is part of what makes the value of the RX1 to me. I work a normal job that is not that of professional photographer. You know what feature the D600 can't match that the RX1 can? The ability to be with me all the time. I can't carry around a big camera bag, and laptop, and ipad, and everyting else all day. But I can bring the RX1 without without any trouble, match all the IQ plus some of a D600 + 35 prime, spend much much less money doing so, and my only drawback is not having PD-AF as I have already decided 35mm is all I need in my primary camera.
All personal observations/realities.
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