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Light gathering in M43 vs FF

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Great Bustard

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I did not say...

In reply to Andy Crowe, 6 months ago

Andy Crowe wrote:

It does "prove anything" because the noise in the photo is determined in large part (mostly) by the total amount of light collected by the sensor. Individual sensor performance does, of course, have a significant impact, of course, but generally secondary to the total amount of light falling on the sensor for sensors of the same generation.

For a partial list of sensors and their efficiencies:

If total light is more important than sensor quality...

...or imply that. I said that for sensors of the same generation, the total amount of light falling on the sensor is usually to dominant determinant of the amount of noise in a photo.

, how can a new m4/3 camera come so close noise wise to a 7 year old full frame camera (both at ISO3200)?

Individual sensor quality is more important than "total light".

Because you completely missed where I was talking about sensors of the same generation (I highlighted where I said that in the green bold text above).

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Light gathering in M43 vs FF	Peng Bian	6 months ago	1
Re: Light gathering in M43 vs FF	pgilland	6 months ago
Re: Light gathering in M43 vs FF	Peng Bian	6 months ago
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Re: Light gathering in M43 vs FF	Promit	6 months ago	4
Re: Light gathering in M43 vs FF	Thomas_A	6 months ago
Re: Light gathering in M43 vs FF	DonParrot	6 months ago	1
All wrong!!!	eques	6 months ago
Re: All wrong!!!	Dr_Jon	6 months ago
Re: All wrong!!!	Dr_Jon	6 months ago
Trying to make sense.	eques	6 months ago
Re: All wrong!!!	bobn2	6 months ago	4
See Klarno and Much-having-fun	eques	6 months ago
Re: Light gathering in M43 vs FF	s_grins	6 months ago	3
Re: Light gathering in M43 vs FF	Peng Bian	6 months ago
Re: Light gathering in M43 vs FF	s_grins	6 months ago	3
Light and luminosity aren't necessarily the same thing	noirdesir	6 months ago
Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	Great Bustard	6 months ago	1
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	s_grins	6 months ago
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	noirdesir	6 months ago
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	s_grins	6 months ago
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	noirdesir	6 months ago
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	s_grins	6 months ago
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	noirdesir	6 months ago
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	s_grins	6 months ago	1
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	noirdesir	6 months ago
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	s_grins	6 months ago
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	noirdesir	6 months ago
That's exactly it!	Great Bustard	6 months ago	2
Re: That's exactly it!	maoyama	6 months ago
Re: That's exactly it!	exdeejjjaaaa	6 months ago
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Re: Saturation ISO, SOS, and REI (from ISO 12232, published 2005)	Detail Man	6 months ago	4
Re: That's exactly it!	exdeejjjaaaa	6 months ago
Re: That's exactly it!	Great Bustard	6 months ago
Re: That's exactly it!	bobn2	6 months ago	2
Re: That's exactly it!	eques	6 months ago
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	bobn2	6 months ago	2
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	s_grins	6 months ago
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	bobn2	6 months ago	2
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	richarddd	6 months ago
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	bobn2	6 months ago
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	s_grins	6 months ago
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Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	Anders W	6 months ago
Re: Tell me, what is the difference ...	Detail Man	6 months ago
Re: Tell me, what is the difference ...	Anders W	6 months ago
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	noirdesir	6 months ago
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	s_grins	6 months ago
Re: Tell me, Peng, what is the difference...	Anders W	6 months ago
I have an answer for you. Now it's your turn.	Great Bustard	6 months ago
Re: I have an answer for you. Now it's your turn.	s_grins	6 months ago
Re: I have an answer for you. Now it's your turn.	Great Bustard	6 months ago
Re: I do not discuss with Bustard.	s_grins	6 months ago
Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.	Great Bustard	6 months ago
Re:Sure! Exposure/ISO deniers deserve a camera without aforementioned controls	s_grins	6 months ago
Still "not discussing", eh?	Great Bustard	6 months ago
Re: Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.	zxaar	6 months ago	2
Re: Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.	Great Bustard	6 months ago
Give it a rest s_grins :)	Beach Bum	6 months ago
Re: Light gathering in M43 vs FF	Klarno	6 months ago	7
F/1.4 = F/1.4 on all cameras	Just Having Fun	6 months ago	3
Re: F/1.4 = F/1.4 on all cameras	Peng Bian	6 months ago
Re: F/1.4 = F/1.4 on all cameras	tt321	6 months ago	3
Re: F/1.4 = F/1.4 on all cameras	SphericalAberration	6 months ago	1
However, exposure is irrelevant in cross-format comparisons.	Great Bustard	6 months ago
Nonsensical response	Beach Bum	6 months ago
Total light doesn't tell you anything about sensor performance	Andy Crowe	6 months ago
Re: Total light doesn't tell you anything about sensor performance	Great Bustard	6 months ago
Re: Total light doesn't tell you anything about sensor performance	noirdesir	6 months ago
Yes......	tedolf	6 months ago	2
Re: Yes......	Peng Bian	6 months ago
Well then......	tedolf	6 months ago	2
Re: Well then......	Peng Bian	6 months ago	1
Re: Well then......	jcharding	6 months ago	1
Re: Well then......	tedolf	6 months ago	2
Re: Light gathering in M43 vs FF	Macx	6 months ago
Re: Light gathering in M43 vs FF	tt321	6 months ago
Re: Light gathering in M43 vs FF	Macx	6 months ago
yes	tko	6 months ago
Re: Light gathering in M43 vs FF	Great Bustard	6 months ago	1
Very, very simple:	Great Bustard	6 months ago	2
Re: Light gathering in M43 vs FF	hdkhang	6 months ago
Correct information doesn't pay on this forum...	Beach Bum	6 months ago	1
Re: Correct information doesn't pay on this forum...	jcharding	6 months ago
Really only one truth...	Beach Bum	6 months ago	1
Re: Really only one truth...	jcharding	6 months ago
Perhaps true with DSLRs...	Beach Bum	6 months ago
Re: Really only one truth...	ljfinger	6 months ago
Re: Light gathering in M43 vs FF	BSweeney	6 months ago
Bring back the thumbs down. :)	Beach Bum	6 months ago	2
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Sensor performance, not just sensor size	Andy Crowe	6 months ago
Re: Sensor performance, not just sensor size	Great Bustard	6 months ago
Re: Sensor performance, not just sensor size	ljfinger	6 months ago	1
Re: The Dark Ages of High Technology and Little Reasoning ...	Detail Man	6 months ago
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You missed the point	JosephScha	6 months ago
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Re: Light gathering in M43 vs FF	exdeejjjaaaa	6 months ago
Re: Light gathering in M43 vs FF	s_grins	6 months ago
Re: Light gathering in M43 vs FF	Great Bustard	6 months ago
Light density / exposure parameters are the same, "total light" doesn't really matter	Andy Crowe	6 months ago
Total Light Collected is all that matters.	Great Bustard	6 months ago
if Total Light Collected is all that matters, then why...	Andy Crowe	6 months ago
I did not say...	Great Bustard	6 months ago
Missed that line, my apologies	Andy Crowe	6 months ago
Re: Missed that line, my apologies	Great Bustard	6 months ago
Re: if Total Light Collected is all that matters, then why...	misolo	6 months ago
Re: if Total Light Collected is all that matters, then why...	exdeejjjaaaa	6 months ago
Flat-earthers are coming to light, again	forpetessake	6 months ago
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