Xtrans - OOC Jpegs - Raw - Oh My!

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David V
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Re: Xtrans - OOC Jpegs - Raw - Oh My!
In reply to framus, 7 months ago

framus wrote:

David V wrote:

TThorne wrote:

bartolyni wrote:

framus wrote:

Along with the recent conversations about the Xtrans sensor files I've revisted some resources that have kept me thinking.

The first is an article and conversation on The Online Photographer Blog: Ken Tanka: Shooting JPEG Instead of Raw. Mr. Tanaka in an accomplished photographer and his www site is worth a visit.

Ken Tanaka's article has become more important to me since getting my X-pro1 and lenses. Prior to using the X-pro1 I was a total all Raw files - all the time adherent (some might say zealot).

The X-trans OOC Jpegs are good enough that I've moderated that perspective. Given that we may, or may not, see improvements in X-trans demosaicing I'm trying to convince myself that I can get by with less than ideal Adobe Raw conversions and live with Jpegs. I'm on the fence with this and am still pondering if I'll purchase any more X-trans related gear if the Adobe Raw conversion doesn't improve.

The resource that furthers my dilemma is Jeff Schewe's excellent book, _The_Digital_Negative_ . This book has reinforced my fondness for the digital darkroom.

I've been using LightRoom since it first became available and have focused on using it as the foundation of my workflow. Inspired by the book I've been experimenting and comparing OOC Jpegs and Raw files converted in LightRoom. The Jpegs are good, often as good as what I can do converting the Raw files. Many Raw files that are converted in LR print very nicely at up to 25cm x 30cm sizes. However ~10% of my LR converted files are compromised by the 'water color' effect. I have a fond hope that the conversion algorithms for Adobe and Aperture evolve and improve.

In the meantime I'm trying hard to love OOC Jpegs.

-Framus

How has all this affected your photography? How would Fuji have improved your photography if they were to give up all their intellectual property rights and years of research into X-Trans technology to the likes of adobe? Would that have made you a better photographer? I think you are reading too much into this. May be you need to chill out and start to enjoy photography from the art point of view instead of being a gear/RAW head.

That was just a dumb statement.

I like shooting JPEG with the XP1 and XE1. No, I love shooting JEPG. However, there are times when I know there will be a definite advantage to processing a raw file, and if you are working, or for some reason the photos are important to you, then having RAW capability in conjunction with your work flow is necessary.

As far as intellectual property goes, Fuji will ultimately alienate many users and lose sales if the issue isn't resolved, and the system will not thrive or survive. As I am a huge Fuji fan and love this system, I want to see Fuji sell more units, put more R&D into the system because of it, and provide us with better future products in the lineup. That intellectual property could be stitched into a blanket to keep you warm at night, but holding it back so software companies can not make it compatible with workflows does not protect Fuji, it takes money from their pockets.

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A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. - Sir Winston Churchill

I tend to agree. I am absolutely thrilled with the OOC JPEGS from the Fuji, but I know there will come a time when I will want/need to tweak the RAW image and re-process to print, and this is something that Fuji will need to resolve very soon if they want this system to prosper. Perhaps they can release a stand alone version of their own software as a stop gap to get past whatever issues they are having working with 3rd party software developers.

They have to figure this out, because nothing out there right now touches their native lenses or OOC JPEGS IMO, and it would be a shame to lose the momentum they are gaining with this system.

David,

Here's what I'm learning. The OOC Jpegs are more demanding of exposure and the various settings one can make (highlight/shadow tone, color level, film type). As a long time Raw shooter I'm finding I have to treat the Jpegs like I used to deal with slide film. The Raw files are more like negative film and more forgiving. Raw files have spoiled me. The in-camera raw conversion utility is excellent for exploring and learning the Jpeg variables.

The X-pro1 is the most fun I've had with a camera in years. I was ready to go all-in but am becoming conservative while waiting to see how the Raw converter thing evolves.

-Framus

I agree.  I have been more careful with the settings over the past couple of times shooting.  Making sure my settings and technique maximize my output quality.  I have also used AE-L mode to ensure that I am exposing on the darker dense tree areas, so that they don't end up completely underexposed in those areas.  All this to ensure that I get the best possible JPEG output.  I got much better results today than I did yesterday, and I am very happy with the outcome so far.

I too have only shot RAW for my "serious" stuff for the past 7 or 8 years, but this camera system is very different.  The lenses are really great, and they, along with the bodies, are small and light, which makes this an incredibly portable package that puts out incredibly high quality images. I've got the X-E1 body and the three lenses (zoom, 35, and 60) and I am really not concerned about the investment, as I am really enjoying myself with this camera.

I am very confident Fuji will figure the RAW thing out soon.

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