D5100 LCD unusable for manual shooting...should I care?

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mrbr
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Re: D5100 LCD unusable for manual shooting...should I care?
In reply to cerberusjf, 6 months ago

cerberusjf wrote:

Graystar wrote:



If a dslr has a flip screen, surely it is intended to be used partly like a point-and-shoot and would benefit from things like a live meter, histograms and so on?

The Nikon D3, D3s and D800 have live histograms and meters in live view, maybe these cameras are not made for photographers though

The vast majority of P&S cameras don't have flip out screens. They're meant to be held out in front of your face, but they're much lighter than a DSLR. The usage of articulated monitors that I hear of most often is macro work.

On the D3 and D3s, the live histogram is only available in "tripod" mode, which is also limited to contrast-detect AF. In "hand-held" mode, where phase-detect AF is used, there's no live histogram. Since the Live View histogram has nothing to do with the focus method, I'm guessing that this was done in realization that no one is going to hold up a heavy camera and lens steady enough to have a stable histogram...so why block the image with a useless histogram?

The D800 does away with the tripod mode and does have a live histogram when you enable exposure preview. But then again it also gained AutoISO by focal length...another practically useless feature that reviewers such as DPReview liked to continuously harp was missing (while never complaining about Canon and other not having a Minimum Shutter Speed setting...at least not until recently. Seems like they finally figured out that Nikon's AutoISO had it right all along.) So I just write those off as catering to a vocal minority.

And for anyone who thinks that using an LCD will help with the tricky exposure and get what you want...look at the following image. The squares labeled A and B are the same shade of gray (RGB 120, 120, 120.)

That's called Color Constancy, just one of several functions of human Visual Perception that throws a wrench into this idea of using the LCD to set exposure. It's the reason why people can't get the LCD image to look like the live scene...they don't realize that the LCD image DOES look like the live scene...its their eyes that's changing the scene.

No live histogram is going to help with that.

Checkershadow Illusion

The auto-iso by focal length is not useful to me either, at least not for my current purposes.

Isn't the colour constancy problem is an example of how the photographer needs to tell the camera how to expose? And to do that, the photographer really needs a meter and a knowledge of the zone system. The problem with Nikon live view for the consumer bodies is that there is no meter. The reasong Canon include a meter in live view is so photographers can adjust settings in live view properly.

The D5100 is not much heavier than the Nikon P7700 or Sony DSC-RX1, so I'm not sure why Nikon would think that people wouldn't use a D5100 in live view with the screen flipped out to get shots from awkward angles, like a point and shoot with a flip-out screen. I thought it was one of it's selling points. I gave up taking photographs using live view very quickly, only using it when absolutely necessary.

That is also the way i use the flip screen and live view, only to take pictures wich would be difficult to take when using the OVF.  Ofcourse when the camera is mounted on a tripod, live view is also very usefull !  Also in live view mode the battery is going to discharge more quickly ( a spare battery is then necessary ).

Graystar also commented ( IMO correctly ), that a dx camera body with lens attached is to heavy to use live view as your main shooting method ( althoug , a D3200 or D5100 with the 18-55 kit lens or 35 or 50 mm prime lens is not that haevy )/

I'm not sure what you mean that the LCD image looks like the live scene? It is not necessarily so,in "M" mode the lcd image in the D5100 and D7000 iirc reflects the camera settings either on entering live view or when the last photo was taken. This can be brighter or darker than the live scene, depending on the settings.

If you use M mode auto iso off and live view and you change f, shutter or iso you will NOT see this reflected on the LCD screen.

But if you use A, S or P mode with or without auto iso you can see the brightness of the LCD screen change as you give + or - exposure compensation !!

There is indeed NO live histogram in live view.... but you can use the LCD screen to judge exposure and when shooting RAW you can fine tune exposure in post processing.

Greetings,

Marc

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