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Re: More observations
In reply to tashley,
6 months ago
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tashley wrote:
primeshooter wrote:
I wanted come back to this thread with another part to all this I have noticed. Often with a landscape shot the subject will be placed very close to my wideangle lens. Sometimes said object has quite a large depth to it front to back and it's clear from trial and error / using dof preview that f/8 simply does not render the object sharp enough and fall off is evident in the dof before I reach the end of the object. So, in these situations I find I actually require f/16 to get the object - say it was a rock, in focus! What I have noticed with this technique compared to what I have mentioned, is that this renders a pretty damn decent shot in terms of sharpness, even at 100% it's not so bad. Obviously with this technique fall off in dof is very fast after the subject of the photograph falls off into the distance. But I find as long as the background is blurry but recognizable it feels right to my eyes that the distance isn't as clear.
In contrast to shooting at f/16 with a wideangle, focusing a 1/3 in but not on a specific subject, the whole photograph has softness. The foregrounds look terrible especially if you have stuff right up near the front of the lens. Focus stacking is a maybe for me - static scenes only. Try it with waves and moving trees in wind!
This brings up another issue, relating to the conventions of composing photographic landscapes. The 'Joe Cornish' school is that you have Foreground Interest (large wet rock) with Lead-In Lines directed towards the main subject, the landscape and sky. Often the Wet Rock is long and pointy and placed diagonally so as to act also as a Lead In. This is a very tough gig to get right, and often the result is more about demonstrating technical virtuosity rather than making a great image.
I got shown around an amazing art collection a couple weeks back with lots of traditional English and Dutch Landscapes and it was notable how few of these used the Cornish Convention. It's just not necessary, it has become a sort of fetish and I think it generally looks nasty too. But more importantly, it often leads to people focussing more on the foreground interest than on the subject itself. You more or less have to do this since blurred defined foreground objects are distracting but it has two serious downsides:
I quite certainly need a wide angle lens that 'does' sharp everywhere. But just because it can do that, doesn't mean that's how I generally use it. Foreground interest can be colour, texture, shade and light and all of these can work quite well without being in perfect focus.
just saying!
Agree! Many times a slight out of focus for nonessential parts helps lead the eye better than an image sharp from corner to corner.
As already earlier mentioned in this thread a less than perfectly sharp infinity gives the impression of distance (distance haze) and a foreground detail does not need to be in perfect focus as long as the outline of the object appear reasonably sharp. One does not need every foreground grass straw to be in focus. A selective sharpening of an out of focus foreground can make it appear sharp enough as long as it is not the main object in the image. The eye just wanders over it without paying any further attention to it. Merklinger certainly has a valid point here.
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