Why is israel/jerusalem a big part of American politics?

Started Sep 11, 2012 | Discussions thread
Collett
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The depth of your knowledge ........
In reply to Tom C, Sep 13, 2012

The depth of your knowledge ........ is rather limited and that is readily apparent.
Tom C wrote:
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What a load of BS. The Jewish population in the U.S. is just over 2% but you have them controlling American policies?

Please elaborate on how what I wrote is BS, and please be specific in showing me with evidence that AIPAC and the Israeli Lobby does not have influence over American foreign policy. To make sure we are on the same page - my position is not that the Jewish Lobby controls US policy, but that it is a significant contributing factor and if you had read my post to Rene directly above yours you would know the same.

Here is some reading for you in the mean time http://www.occupyaipac.org/2012/02/10-reasons-why-the-israel-lobby-aipac-is-so-dangerous/ . Why don't you start by disputing the points made in this article.

Now prove I am full of BS, and prove I am an Anti-semite . You have a lot of nerve making such an accusation. While you are at it, prove that you are not anti-Muslim, anti-Palestinian, and anti-Arab by virtue of your apparent preferential treatment of Israel over those countries/cultures.

If I recall someone used that line of thinking back in the 30’s and 40‘s, Your Anti-Semitism is showing. We supported Stalin, that was no better then Hitler, to defeat Germany, was the wrong? From a moral point of view you could say yes but what was the alternative. Britain, France and Spain all had their empires, the difference was there was no CNN, the Internet or You Tube. If the U.S. is so bad then use your vote to change it or find another country that fits your high standard of morals. It’s not a perfect world, and yes the U.S. makes mistakes but there is no other place I would rather live, how about you?

What is the relevance of what you wrote above to my post - Britain, Hitler, where I would rather live than the US????? You are all over the place, but make no point.

In your mind, apparently one is not a Patriot if they criticize their country. Ever hear the saying "Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism"? Also, when you evoke Germany and Hitler, you might want to consider the concept and consequences of following your leaders blindly with the assumption that they are always 'good' and 'right'. Knowing history and learning from it are two different things.

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Tom
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Jim

You’re the one making that statement about the Jewish lobby not me so the burden of proof in on you. I’m saying the main reason we back Israel is because it’s the only democracy in that part of the world. I also said there are other reasons. So in a around about way you are saying it’s Jewish money buying support from America? Did you bother to checkout who supports that web site?

And your the one who said 'Your Anti-Semitism is showing'. I gave you a short list of specific activities that AIPAC participated in to affect American foreign policy - and rather than address these points on their merits ...... you do what so many mindless pseudo conservatives on this forum do - you attack the credibility of the source because you are too intellectually lazy or incapable of addressing the points on their merits.

In fact, you have not addressed any point made in the article I presented (not a single one), and with respect to your accusation directed at me personally - take a look at number 7 on the list. "AIPAC attempts to silence all criticism of Israel by labeling critics as “anti-Semitic,” “de-legitimizers” or “self-hating Jews.” Journalists, think tanks, students and professors have been accused of anti-Semitism for merely taking stands critical of Israeli government policies. These attacks stifle the critical discussions and debates that are at the heart of democratic policy-making. The recent attacks on staffers at the Center for American Progress is but one example of AIPAC efforts to crush all dissent.

I have a feeling you are going to dismiss any source I present to you - but nevertheless here are a few more http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/aipac-beats-the-drums-of-war/2012/03/05/gIQASVMZtR_story.html , http://www.aljazeerah.info/Editorials/2002/April%202002/aipac%27s%20financial%20contributions%20to%20members%20of%20Congress.htm , http://www.wrmea.com/archives/July_Aug_2004/0407027.html , http://cutdc.com/2011/05/26/retired-us-senator-reveals-aipacs-power-over-the-us-egyptian-socialists-unite/ , http://wrmea.org/aipac-political-power.html .

As far as your comment regarding Democracy being our primary reason for supporting Israel, I dismissed that in my first post and again that is just naive and wrong. Frankly, you don't seem capable of looking at the evidence in an objective manner so I am not going to waste my time.

http://www.occupyaipac.org/endorsers/

Iran was never a Democracy and we did not overthrow any government but we did support the Shah that was in power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran

This is where I came up with the title of my post. You are really uninformed and ignorant, and you Tom C are a prime example of why so many non-Americans mock us and dislike us - due to our combination of ignorance and arrogance. You might want to look at this, for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat .

I should have guessed the Hitler, Stalin would go over your head. The point is sometimes you have to pick the lesser of two evils, sometimes that backfires as we have learned.

Over my head... ya right. There is a difference between picking the lesser of two evils Tom, and creating and fostering evil Tom.

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