PRNU & Stacking

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dosdan
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Re: This is a job for ... Super ejmartin/Bobn2
In reply to Jack Hogan, 11 months ago

As I am quite a bit out of my depth

So am I . I'm doing this stuff to trying and get an understanding of the concepts.

if the Saturation is sensor-referred, why aren't you using all sensor-referred noise sources to calculate total noise? Alternatively why not go all ADC-input referred?

Yes, you're right. I was seduced by some of the read nose noise being pre-PGA or in the PGA and some coming from the ADC. All the noise sources should be related to one ref. point and I've adjusted the total noise formula to use the sensel-ref input noise. (Spreadsheet updated)

At what ISO does analog amplification stop and digital amplification begin for each camera you analyzed? No matter, we are mainly talking about the highlights here, right?

APS-C analogue gain usually ends at ISO1000-1600.

So as you stack more and more images the PRNU starts looking a lot less like noise and a lot more like an undesired signal - especially if pixel peeping at 100% or more. And in that case it no longer fits into the SNR equation.

Other than that your calculations appear correct to me (Bob, Emil?). As you stack images PRNU becomes the dominant unwanted artifact in the highlights very quickly. But, as I suggested earlier, it should not be too difficult to isolate the 2D 'PRNU' signal image and subtract it from the source. If your numbers are correct I think adding 8 K5 images at base ISO would provide a PRNU Signal to Shot Noise ratio of more than about 2:1, which should make it possible to isolate it. Once extracted I think you could apply it in the form of a 2D pixel efficiency matrix to virtually any image, no? But then again we are talking about the highlights. Do we really have a noise problem there?

I suppose I'm after the experience of someone who's stacked a lot of low-ISO images.
What does the amplified PRNU look like?
A fixed pattern appearing on bright surfaces?
How well does reference frame subtraction work?

It would need to be boosted in amplitude to match the the total FPNU number of frames stacked? 4x in this example?

Is the penalty only a single 41% increase in shot noise? Or would the shot noise increase be much higher because you've boosted the ref. frame amplitude 4x?

If so, would removing the PRNU completely nullify the stacking improvement in shot noise SNR?

Dan

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