CES 2013: Hands-on with Samsung NX300

Buy on GearShopFrom $499.006 deals

We're at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Nevada, and as usual we're battling through thousands of gadget-mad bloggers and industry analysts for off-record product briefings and hands-on sessions with this year's latest cameras. One of the most interesting products announced at CES is the Samsung NX300 - a well-rounded replacement for the NX210 which offers some genuine refinements over its older siblings. We didn't get a chance to handle the NX300 prior to its official unveiling, so we made a beeline for the Samsung stand to get our hands on the newest NX.

From the front, the NX300 is hard to tell apart from its predecessor the NX210... But from behind, you'll see that its OLED display is tiltable - and touch-sensitive, too. 

The NX300 features looks a lot like its predecessor, but beneath the surface it's a very different camera. Like the NX210, the NX300 features a 20MP CMOS sensor, but this is a newly-developed unit which offers 'hybrid' autofocus consisting of 247 contrast-detection AF points and 105 phase-detection points which should provide much faster and more positive focus in favorable lighting conditions. The cameras we handled were pre-production units, so it's impossible to make a definitive statement about their performance, but our first impressions are very good. Even in the relatively low light of a CES meeting room, focus with the 85mm F1.4 was fast and positive, with almost no 'jitter' - certainly a clear improvement on the solely contrast-detection system in earlier NX bodies and many competitive mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras. 

As far as handling is concerned, the NX300 is in some respects very familiar, but in others it is refreshingly different. The basic user interface is very similar to the NX210, but two additions make a lot of difference - the rear screen can be tilted up and down, and is now touch-sensitive. It is also wider - with the new panel having a 15:9 aspect ratio, giving an 800x480 pixel display, rather than the 640x480 resolution of the older models. The screen articulation is useful for image composition from low or high angles (and for video shooting) but the up/down tilt is limiting. Apart from anything else, it really isn't useful when shooting in the portrait format (unless you like taking pictures around corners).

A much more useful addition is touch-sensitivity. The NX300's touch-sensitive controls are effectively optional - you can just use the conventional interface if you prefer - but it can be very useful. When it comes to quick 'grab shots', for example, touching the screen to focus is so much quicker than manually positioning the AF point. The NX300's touch screen is very responsive, and in line with our expectations of modern Samsung smartphones. 

Speaking of quicker, thanks to an upgraded processor the NX300 can shoot at nine frames per second, compared to the eight of its predecessor, and Samsung is also claiming that in Wi-Fi mode, the new camera should be much quicker and easier to pair with mobile devices than the last-generation of 'Smart' devices. Again though, we were unable to test these claims in our brief hands-on session with the NX300.  

When the new 3D 45mm F1.8 NX lens is switched to '3D' mode two LCD screens move in from either side of the lens and meet in the middle, in the optical path. This image shows the lens detached from a camera body, in 3D mode, with the two LCD screens in place. 

As well as the NX300, Samsung also launched a 3D-capable version of its 45mm F1.8 NX lens at CES. This can be used as a conventional lens in '2D' mode but when switched into '3D' via a switch on the barrel, two LCD screens move into the optical path (shown above). These screens take turns to black-out their respective sides of the lens, meaning a slightly different image is projected onto the camera's sensor. The NX300 can capture and combine these alternating frames to create either 3D movies or stills.

Samsung says the feature cannot be extended to earlier NX models, and our understanding is that this is due to the higher processing requirements demanded by the creation of 3D stills and footage. 

Again, we used a pre-production sample of the new 3D 45mm F1.8, and we were not able to examine image quality, but it's a neat idea in theory, and one that might breath some life back into consumer-level 3D content creation - lest we forget, the 'next big thing' at CES 2011. 

105
I own it
27
I want it
14
I had it
Discuss in the forums

Comments

Total comments: 150
LightCatcherLT
By LightCatcherLT (8 months ago)

we really need dropbox support in this cam, Samsung, please!

1 upvote
Sten E
By Sten E (10 months ago)

Looks good!

0 upvotes
bibiki78
By bibiki78 (10 months ago)

Very appealing. I like the innovative drive of Samsung against the establishment. Courage compared to the boring old boys of digital camera makers. Will buy and support Samsung further.

0 upvotes
DaytonR
By DaytonR (Apr 11, 2013)

Wow , this camera looks gorgeous ! Based on looks alone , I like it ...

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Mar 23, 2013)

It may be time for Samsung to update their 30mm f2 with a modernized version.
30mm f1.4 or 35mm f1.2 would definitely be nice!
(to compete with Fuji, and as many manufacturers are updating their lineup)
The present one has no iFunction, and is getting a little slow to be competitive.

0 upvotes
jj74e
By jj74e (Mar 27, 2013)

I don't really see what aperture has to do with being competitive...it's all relative to price, iq and others, and the 30mm still fits the bill quite nicely imo

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Mar 6, 2013)

Just read up on the new Nikon-A, and that has sparked my interest in a NX300 + 30mm f2 pancake lens. IMO this would be a much better combo, at the same size, than the Nikon A. (ok, almost same size for any hair-splitters out there, at 11mm (7/16") wider, but same height and same thickness).

Anyone know when this goes into delivery?

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Mar 11, 2013)

got my answer on imaging-resource: first quarter of this year... so anytime soon! :-)

0 upvotes
hpchan
By hpchan (Feb 19, 2013)

I am a user never need an EVF. The reason is that I compare the Liveview and After shot Image very often for any color saturation and contrast changed. The process can not do with so call EVF. For this point may not know if only using NX for a short period. I have OVF direct couple onto NX100 only used on 200mm manual focus.

Comment edited 55 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
mrmart
By mrmart (Mar 13, 2013)

What?

1 upvote
micahmedia
By micahmedia (Jan 12, 2013)

For those who don't understand why a lack of EVF option is a deal breaker, I offer this: http://camerasize.com/compact/#34,394,375,318,ha,f

Only one of these cameras doesn't offer an EVF option.

For those who say "well, Samsung does offer something with an EVF", note how big the NX20 is. It will never get any smaller. That's the beauty of a detachable EVF--even if the EVF adds bulk, it can be removed to pack smaller.

And also, for those who don't understand the need for an eye-level finder, I offer this explanation: perspective is about camera position. Especially with wide lenses, position is everything. It's inherent to wide angle because of both rectilinear distortion, and the large difference in what's included or excluded in the frame when holding the camera out in front of you. Those couple of feet difference from the position of your eye to the position of the lens are a big deal. Sure, sometimes the arms length thing is just right.

But better is to have both options.

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 12, 2013)

Have you ever shopped for an external EVF? It's the price of a camera! Who in their right mind would spend $400 more for that, when for the same price, you can get the competition's model with a VF for the same price? It's just an absurd afterthought imho. I like a VF for when the sun is too bright for the screen, and I like a tilt screen for other situations. Some like one, some like both.

Why don't we put things into _proper_perspective_ and push your SIZE comparison a little bit further... let's add in a MFT, APSC, and FF, and I think you will agree that the NX20 isn't THAT big! Considering it not only houses a great EVF but ALSO the FLASH in that size.

http://camerasize.com/compact/#394,375,318,381,393,312,ha,f

Comment edited 4 times, last edit 9 minutes after posting
3 upvotes
Revenant
By Revenant (Jan 12, 2013)

Perhaps it's not fair to choose the GH3 as representing m4/3, considering it's the largest by some margin. Compare NX20 to G5 or E-M5 instead:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#318,289,347,381,da,f

But you're still right about the NX20 being very small for a "DSLR-styled" camera. However, I think it's the DSLR form factor that bothers those people who'd rather have an EVF in the NX300.

1 upvote
micahmedia
By micahmedia (Jan 15, 2013)

I purchased an EVF for $200 and the same one sells for $160 today. So yes, I have shopped for one.

The point is they don't offer something that other systems offer standard, and they don't trade that option for a size advantage. In fact, it's just omitted at no discernible advantage at all.

0 upvotes
micahmedia
By micahmedia (Jan 15, 2013)

http://camerasize.com/compact/#375,394,376,da,f

...one of these cameras offers a built in EVF. Two of them offer an optional one. One of them offers a full frame sensor.

What does the Samsung offer over either of these two cameras?

0 upvotes
Michael Barkowski
By Michael Barkowski (Jan 15, 2013)

micahmedia, the Samsung offers a significantly larger OLED, obviously.

1 upvote
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Feb 20, 2013)

@Revenant: I put the GH3 in the comparison for a different reason: as a caricature of the MFT field... mft aren't really perceptibly smaller yet are handicapped in sensor size. It was a ridicule thing... showing how the mft market is often trying very hard to look like what it isn't, and this just exagerates that point.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
1 upvote
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Feb 20, 2013)

@micahmedia: Regarding your challenge (above):
1.it offers a savings of almost $2000 over the RX1 which you don't seem to be b!tchging at for it's lack of EVF (which sells for the price of an NX camera body), and the nx300 is an IL. but if you can afford an RX1 buy one - it's a very nice camera!
2. compared to Sony NEX, Samsung actually has lenses that people like and that aren't being criticized unanimously by the entire photographic community! but yes, the NEX7 has very nice specs if it weren't for that.
3. please don't forget, after checkout, to go to the Sony column and b!tch at the nex3 and nex5r for not having viewfinders.
4. if you like evf, Samsung also offers the NX20 and soon NX30 - that is Samsung's strategy - there is no rule that says they should design their product line otherwise.

You give the impression that this is a b!tching contest of your brand versus someone else's brand.... and if it,s not your's, it sucks. That is not what this site is about.

Comment edited 33 seconds after posting
1 upvote
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Feb 20, 2013)

PS: @revenant once again:
I understand some may not prefer the larger form factor... but adding an external EVF is a bit of a travesty... you can switch to a model that has one built in and is much easier to get in and out of a camera bag, as you don't have that extra thing mounted on top, nor the delay to mount it when you pull out the camera. it's ridiculous! why wouldn't ANYONE (including @myopicmedia) get the model with EVF instead, if it is being offered?
unless you're spending $3000 on something as unique as the RX1, then you don't have a choice, and if you can afford that model, nor do you care about spending an extra 500 or so on an evf.

Comment edited 5 minutes after posting
1 upvote
ChrisKramer1
By ChrisKramer1 (Mar 26, 2013)

I eventually bought an EVF for my NEX5n after getting the tamron 18-200. I couldn't imagine using this combo without an EVF. I would be interested in the Samsung, but they are only offering 2/3 of a camera.

0 upvotes
stdavid
By stdavid (Jan 12, 2013)

All I want to see is that Sansung's rather heavy handed NR of it's past cameras has been tamed or at least the new camera has the ability to turn it off for those that don't want to always shoot RAW.

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 12, 2013)

You can turn it off in the menu... am I missing something?

1 upvote
micahmedia
By micahmedia (Jan 15, 2013)

Yes. Apparently users want a lower setting than the lowest on offer with previous models.

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Feb 20, 2013)

ok, but he also said he'd be happy with "off" which they have.

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 2 minutes after posting
2 upvotes
timedrun
By timedrun (Jan 11, 2013)

As an NX user with a fair few NX lenses I'm mostly excited about the PDAF and what this will mean for the NX30.

These compact shaped offerings I only used with fixed FL pancakes and use a hotshoe OVF, so I'm also excited as to how the PDAF works for this useage too as I can't get confirmation in the OVF.

1 upvote
legokangpalla
By legokangpalla (Jan 11, 2013)

Be careful what you wish for people...
"universal" EVF with HDMI interface: http://www.kinotehnik.com/products/electronic-viewfinder/overview
Well, I must admit it is pretty big, but hey you can't have compactness and EVF both...
Just to let you NEX fanboys know, I've used this WITH Nex7, call me crazy, but once you use it, you can never go back to that small thing you guys call EVF...not all EVFs all made equal.
But seriously, stop nagging about all these little features cause you can get them if you really want them.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 11, 2013)

Well there's always the really nice EVF in the Samsung NX 20 (don't know what HDMI has to do with EVFs. Oh I get it an universal EVF can be made with an HDMI output, well that's not how the EVF on the NX20, nor NX100 worked).

And remember AMOLED screens are a good bit better that the WOLED in the Nex 7/Fuji XE!, so at some point Samsung is likely to put an AMOLED EVF in an NX series camera--perhaps the hypothetical NX30. NX cameras have used AMOLED displays for years.

Sony never really bothered to develop AMOLED screens after it shipped that TV/monitor using licensed Kodak AMOLED technology, but Samsung has done a good bit of work with AMOLED screens.

Comment edited 4 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 12, 2013)

ROTFL! You would spend 750E ($1000) on an EVF to put onto a camera that will sell for around 600-700? And that is as big as the camera itself? IMO N20/NX30 would be your best bet.

1 upvote
legokangpalla
By legokangpalla (Jan 14, 2013)

Whilst I like LCDVF no...I did not buy it for the NX series. It would have been funny-by which I mean tragic-if I did. I got it because the 5inch display on Scarlet is good, but have pi$$ poor visibility outside.

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Feb 20, 2013)

@lego: at that size you may as well put a cardboard box around the OLED and call that your EVF! LOL ;-)

1 upvote
ml48
By ml48 (Jan 10, 2013)

What puts me off is the poor design of their cameras.Fuji have got it right.

2 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Jan 10, 2013)

Do you have any examples on what Fuji got "right", including the prices?

0 upvotes
ml48
By ml48 (Jan 10, 2013)

yes ken rockwell thinks they have got it right along with other professionals.I agree the prices are high but drop as time goes on.In my opinion they look desirable,which is a human failing.

0 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Jan 10, 2013)

So, no examples. And what kind of poor design from Samsung you're bashing here?

2 upvotes
ml48
By ml48 (Jan 10, 2013)

show me with examples where samsung have got it right.

2 upvotes
mauijohn
By mauijohn (Jan 10, 2013)

"Ken Rockwell "think" they have got it right along with other professionals." is a very poor and non committal comments from a very respectable journalist... if not sure then why make comments? Paging Mr. Ken Rockwell and the other professionals.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 10, 2013)

ml48:

Well those NX lenses are sure nicely designed. Sony's aren't.

And it took Sony a long time to do Nex menus equal to the NX menus.

Comment edited 54 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
ml48
By ml48 (Jan 10, 2013)

mauijohn you are pssed

Comment edited 5 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Jan 10, 2013)

Excuse me, but it's you who claimed that Samsung design is poor, and Fuji "got it right". I asked you what is "right". No intelligible answer. Then I asked you where do you see Samsung's poor design? No answer as well, instead you ask me "where Samsung've got it right?".

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
0 upvotes
MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (Jan 11, 2013)

I think the more recent NX cameras are very attractive. I like their modernity. No silly retro flourishes, just a solid consideration if what a camera should be. Sony has taken the same road and ended up in about the same place as Samsung with skinny bodies with big grips. Works for me. I just wish Samsung would put an EVF in the right place instead of giving us an NX20 that looks like a dslr. Their problem has been weak performance, not looks, and maybe this finally makes them competitive.

A bit more corporate support would also help. It took me forever to find lens info on their web site. Their initial prices have also been way too high, higher than Sony. This needs to compete with the NEX-5R, and maybe be a hair cheaper since most people don't know Samsung as a camera maker. In the past the prices have dropped quite a bit (because no one bought them maybe.)

1 upvote
Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (Jan 11, 2013)

Yes...performance, they have had a bad buffering problem shooting raw. if they didnt have that id have a nx200 with the little 30mm they have.

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 12, 2013)

Here are examples for all of you:
NX200/210/1000 don't hold quite well in my hand - and I would expect the same of similar NEX.
NX10/NX20 are superb. (I bought NX10 for my son, I upgraded my NX1000 for an NX20 on account of ergonomics).
Fuji (because you asked for a Fuji example and I own one) X-S1 has wonderful ergonomics!
Try and see for yourself.

1 upvote
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Feb 20, 2013)

...and the X-S1 has awesome manual controls!

0 upvotes
SteveNunez
By SteveNunez (Jan 10, 2013)

I miss the DSLR look of the NX10/11 series.

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 10, 2013)

Look at the NX20.

1 upvote
starwolfy
By starwolfy (Jan 10, 2013)

I highly recommend the NX series. Very capable and user-friendly cameras. Can't be disappointed.

5 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 11, 2013)

Be honest there's a big buffer problem when shooting raw with the NX20/210/1000/200. And no the new firmware didn't fix it really well.

Samsung does great lenses for the NX system and very good menus, but they missed badly with this buffer problem.

1 upvote
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 12, 2013)

@RAW: We are, after all, under the under the NX300 hands-on section, and it doesn't seem quite pertinent to put it in the same boat as a 2011 model. Indeed they are very user friendly, they are very capable, the NX200 did have a very annoying buffer problem, but again, to put it into the same basket as the much improved 2012 series is a bit overdoing it. I can think of many worse cameras than Samsung's 2012 series. And the NX300 seems to address pretty much everything (everything exvept the viewfinder of the NX30 that everyone seems to want on their viewfinderless model).

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 12, 2013)

Timmbits:

The firmware fix for the NX20 only helped slightly with the single raw shooting write speed.

Instead of seizing up after two or three quick raws, it slows down and the "processing message" appears.

Don't know how many raws one can shoot in this slowed down state.

Cameras like the Pentax K5 don't have any particular problem shooting and writing say 15 or 20 raws in 7 to 10 seconds. The Pentax K5 is not a new camera and Samsung needed to have matched that speed--or pick the 2010 Canon Rebel model if you like.

Samsung had this known problem with the late 2011 NX200 and repeated it in the NX210 and NX20.

There's a lot to like about the NX cameras and lenses, but the raw shooting speed of the NX200/210/20/1000 is a big problem and splitting hairs about the fact that there was a fix that helped a bit (something I already acknowledged) is a distraction.

Let's hope this buffer problem in single raw shooting is completely gone with the NX300. But one can't be sure yet.

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Feb 20, 2013)

I agree with you. I didn't mean the firmware update: I meant the later models like the nx210 did better than the nx200 and we can only hope the NX300 lives up to it's promises and fixes that. At what frame rate are other similarly priced cameras going anyways, and that also have a 20+ MP sensor? It does have more data to move per second than those having only 16.

0 upvotes
ChrisKramer1
By ChrisKramer1 (Jan 10, 2013)

I like the look of it a lot. But without the possibility of attaching an EVF, I will stick with my Sony NEX. The EVF is really useful when you use bigger lenses. Fact is, I couldn't use my Tamron 18-200 without it.

Comment edited 24 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 10, 2013)

And by sticking with the Nex system you're choosing to use not very good Nex system lenses.

The native Samsung NX system lenses are better than what Sony ships--with one Zeiss branded 1100usd exception.

(But yes, with an adapter one can use very good lenses--some limited to manual--on the Nex system, and the same is true of the NX system.)

For an EVF on a Samsung try out the NX20.

3 upvotes
legokangpalla
By legokangpalla (Jan 11, 2013)

Well, most modern cameras-well that's being generous- have image out function may it be HDMI, USB, etc and can be used with third-party or Samsung EVF kits. I love the EVF on my NX-7 but since my dad wants it, I'm trying to find a new MILC camera. If you are like me and love MILCs, but hate that most of them don't have EVF, wait till the camera comes out and see if there is any compatible EVFs out there. I know for a fact that all Canon DLCRs and MILCs have image sensor out, so you can hook up third-party viewfinders to it.

1 upvote
3systermuser
By 3systermuser (Jan 10, 2013)

please review the Samsung NX300 ASAP, I am really interested in that camera, I might sell all my NEX and OMD for that one, thank.

1 upvote
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 12, 2013)

...and this time do not forget to turn off OIS when you put it on a tripod! we wouldn't want you to make the same mistake as for the NX210!

1 upvote
jj74e
By jj74e (Jan 10, 2013)

I don't get it. Why is an EVF so desirable in this type of camera, that is to say rangefinder-style mirrorless?

Sony is able to put their EVF in the corner of their body (and not a bulgy hump at the top) because their screen sizes are unconventionally at 16:9 and rather small. Fuji also because, well frankly their bodies aren't very compact anyway.

Personally I don't want a 16:9 screen when most of my photos are 4:3, and I don't want a hump to bulk up my camera- wuah la, cameras like the NX300 might be right for me.

Honestly, if all you want is an EVF, look at a camera with an EVF; it's that simple. How big do you think the market demand is for built in EVFs in this product segment? Considering companies are also catering to point-and-shoot upgraders, probably not very.

Hey, if you want an EVF, there's a camera for you. But don't go writing off other cameras that don't have one because it could be the camera for someone else.

"Whoa, you mean, I'm not the only consumer here?"

4 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (Jan 10, 2013)

I'd prefer an attachable evf and don't think built-in is a good idea. after all, a larger display (may be head mounted in the future) is by far more natural way to take pictures than the SLR style. we had to peek into the hole on an SLR because that's the best the technology could provide half a century ago.

about 16:9, since we are going to watch photos more and more on 4K and 8K TVs, I think that should be the best aspect ratio, best compromise for all.

2 upvotes
Cal22
By Cal22 (Jan 10, 2013)

I understand you don't need an EVF! Many people are like you, that's why millions of cameras have no EVF and smartphones either. But I'm coming from the SLR-league, being familiar with having a viewfinder for my kind of photographing. I won't carry a bulky and heavyweight SLR-equipment with me anymore. I like these mirrorless system cameras being compact and lightweight, no problem to be carrying 2 of them and a few small lenses.

Wishing to have one attachable EVF for such cameras - what's wrong with that? Even for the Lumix LX7 such an accessory is being offered as far as I know. If it is an accessory it's up to the camera owner to decide whether to buy one or not.

0 upvotes
timedrun
By timedrun (Jan 10, 2013)

It's a fair point there is no need for an evf on the non-evf model.

There are really three formats for a camera - compact style a la NX300, EPL3, rangefinder style a la NEX6 and SLR style a la NX20/OMD.

I wouldn't call the NX300 a rangefinder style camera, however, a few at DPR started calling compact shaped ilc cameras "rangefinder style" back when m43 started and it has stuck. Shame really because it now causes confusion.

Calling camera "rangefinder style" is very appealling to a certain type of guy, and that was obviously part the coolness factor. Now that there are genuine rangefinder style ilcs I think we could go back to calling compact shape cameras "compact shape cameras".

0 upvotes
chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jan 10, 2013)

Whenever a new camera comes out, you'll find a host of fools posting on here moaning it has no EVF! They don't have the brain cells to figure out the manufacturer didn't add one for a reason (usually size), and despite the fact most people don't want one, because they do, they rant and rant without thinking 'hang on, I'll buy a camera that does have one!'

1 upvote
legokangpalla
By legokangpalla (Jan 11, 2013)

I've used NEX-7. Canon "Rebel" D600, and NX-200...most of them had EVFs, but I used attachable EVFs anyway because a) I liked it better, b) just because I had it...the point is:
Almost any camera that anyone can buy that's not ancient supports some form of EVF one way or another, you just need to find it!

0 upvotes
Dave Oddie
By Dave Oddie (Jan 11, 2013)

The EVF debate is quite funny in a way. The problem for me with cameras like this are they don't have a viewfinder of any kind. Waving a camera about held away from your face just seems completely unnatural to me. I own a Sony A77 and the only time I ever use the screen for composition is when I am taking low angle shots or if the camera is on a tripod. That is what LCD screens are for in my opinion - a modern day "waist level finder" so they need to articulate to make them useful (which of course on many cameras they don't anyway).

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 3 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 11, 2013)

legokangpalla:

The Nikon D600 does not have an EVF; it has an optical view finder with a reflex mirror system, that's a significantly different system than the EVF proposed for this Samsung or the existent ones on the NX20, Sony Nex 7, Fuji XE 1, etc.

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 12, 2013)

@legokangpalla: we don't all get our camera gear for free from our fathers! stop it already with your EVF as large as a camera and (at 750 Euros) more expensive than the entire camera with kit lens! No one in their right mind is going to spend $400+ on an EVF - they will just, like Chad pointed out, get a model that has a VF. Hopefully by now most will start figuring out that the NX20 really isn't that much bigger, considering the bump houses both an EVF and a flash.

0 upvotes
shahid11235
By shahid11235 (Jan 10, 2013)

.

Comment edited 5 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
Simran1
By Simran1 (Jan 10, 2013)

this is the best features for connectivity . i think update version, good for every one.
Check this site : ezmaal.com

0 upvotes
migus
By migus (Jan 10, 2013)

While i understand Samsung's infatuation with wireless, connectivity, 3D, GPS, apps and other arguable gimmicks (needed perhaps across its other products), i'd like more tech detail on their sensor progress, comparisons to EXMOR etc.

0 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (Jan 10, 2013)

I think currently Sony is the best but Samsung, not Sony, produced the world's first comercial BSI-CMOS sensor, and their experiences on tiny mobile phone sensor are priceless (usually SLR sensor are produced using much lower technology).

0 upvotes
3systermuser
By 3systermuser (Jan 10, 2013)

Actually it was Toshiba or Panny before Sony or Samsung.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 11, 2013)

yabokkie,

Sure Sony has shipped some nice Nex cameras (5R+5N+6+7), however most of the Nex lens suck, while some of the Samsung NX lenses are extraordinary and shooting raw Samsung NX cameras have very high image quality.

mingus:

To the best of my knowledge no company has shipped an APSC sensor that uses EXMOR/BIS technology--that's still only been used in P+S cameras and phones camera sensors.

0 upvotes
munro harrap
By munro harrap (Jan 10, 2013)

A camera with no viewfinder is a car with no steering wheel. Discuss.

1 upvote
jadot
By jadot (Jan 10, 2013)

Another lame car analogy on a camera forum is tiresome, predictable, pointless, and of no value whatsoever. May as well 'discuss' that, professor.

5 upvotes
bobbarber
By bobbarber (Jan 10, 2013)

Just as in the case of Olympus, no EVF is a MISTAKE.

I'm the world's #1 Oly fanboy (don't believe me? check my posting history), but Olympus lost me when I went to m43 because they offered no models whatsoever with EVF (pre-E-M5). Panasonic offered EVFs at all levels, for example in the entry-level G1 and G2, which were the first two m43 cameras I owned before picking up a GH2, which I shoot now.

P.S. I posted this in response to a guy's comment below, but as that comment will soon be deleted, I'm posting it here too.

1 upvote
SunnyFlorida
By SunnyFlorida (Jan 10, 2013)

You do realize that over 80% of all mirrorless cameras do not have viewfinders right?

2 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 10, 2013)

munro harrap:

Then buy a Samsung NX20; it has very nice EVF (get the firmware to improve raw shooting speed).

Or wait for the very probable NX30.

3 upvotes
jj74e
By jj74e (Jan 10, 2013)

People that want a rangefinder with a viewfinder is people that want a crossover that acts as a van

Sorry, but a viewfinder takes up space and costs money; not everyone wants one. Only Sony has rangefinder models with built in EVFs nicely tucked into the corner of the body because their screens are wide and thin.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 10, 2013)

jj74e:

No the Fuji XE1 has an EVF in a range finder style body. It's very likely the same white OLED gear as in the Sony Nex 7.

0 upvotes
3systermuser
By 3systermuser (Jan 10, 2013)

I actually found most of people buying this kind of ILC cameras never or almost never feel any real need for an EVF in this type of tiny mirrorless cameras.

when I use my NEX5n , I almost always shoot candid or street scene ,and I find I just shoot it from my chest level using the flip-out LCD.
a good EVF is only needed when using a big body , we dont really need it in this kind of tiny camera.
anyway, the NEX300 looks really promising , congrats on Samsung.
now I begin to believe MFT M43 is a dying camera system.

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 6 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
ChrisKramer1
By ChrisKramer1 (Jan 10, 2013)

The EVF should be there as an option. It may be that most buyers of this camera will not acquire the EVF. However, some will. For me, an EVF on my Sony NEX makes using a wide range zoom like an 18-200 much easier.

Sony offers the option of an EVF - Samsung doesn't and that will put some people off this camera.

0 upvotes
Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Jan 10, 2013)

.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
3systermuser
By 3systermuser (Jan 10, 2013)

I think many young cellphone shooters who are about to upgrade their cellphone cameras to this one will never use EVF.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 10, 2013)

Chriskramer1:

There's an EVF option on every single Nex camera ever shipped? I think not.

Remember the Samsung NX100 did have an EVF option, not up to the standards of the Nex 5, but the same idea.

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 12, 2013)

Yes, we know.
NX300 has no VF.
Sony NEX6 has a viewfinder.
Sony NEXF3 has no VF.
Sony NX5R has no VF.
Samsung NX20/NX30 has a viewfinder.
Sony has more models without, so go b!tch at them!

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 12, 2013)

Timmbits:

The Sony Nex5r doesn't simply take the EVF that fit on the Nex5?

0 upvotes
Chris Tofalos
By Chris Tofalos (Jan 10, 2013)

No EVF! Very poor thinking, Samsung...

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 10, 2013)

NX20.

4 upvotes
ChrisKramer1
By ChrisKramer1 (Jan 10, 2013)

Why not an NEX 5n - with a much better sensor, handling and EVF?

0 upvotes
3systermuser
By 3systermuser (Jan 10, 2013)

maybe you are too old to realize many many young gen photogs never use EVF.

0 upvotes
starwolfy
By starwolfy (Jan 10, 2013)

ChrisKramer1 it seems you know more than what you say here ! You say a Nex5n has a better sensor than the one in this new Samsung camera which was not yet released. I'm impressed and look forward to see all your testing reports, charts as well as all the secret documents you stole from Samsung. Thx

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 10, 2013)

starwolfy,

ChristKramer1 is a Sony fanboy/gal. He/She can't wrap his head around the idea that the Samsung NX200 already has a good sensor--though probably not as good as the Nex 5n's at higher ISOs.

Still those Samsung NX lenses sure beat what Sony shipped for the Nex cameras.

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 12, 2013)

If you guys take a look at the test shots of the NX210 on DPR as compared to other cameras, like Canon, Sony and Oly omdem5, then go to imaging-resource and compare the same, you will soon come to realize that the DPR tester most likely forgot to turn off OIS when mounting the camera on a tripod... otherwise, how could you explain the horrible blur on the NX210 test shots? Surely DPR didn't do this intentionally. Just don't let DPR's error guide you in your conclusions... check on the other site and see just how badly done the review is here of Samsung's 21MP/20.3MP APSC sensor.

Comment edited 3 times, last edit 2 minutes after posting
1 upvote
jpr2
By jpr2 (Jan 10, 2013)

yet another MILC from Samsung with no built-in VF?
what a failure - it really starts to get tiring :( !!

2 upvotes
random78
By random78 (Jan 10, 2013)

Hmm I don't understand your comment because there is Samsung NX20 with a built-in EVF. The NX100/200/300 series and the NX1000 series are without the EVF and will likely remain that way in future as well. The NX10/20 is the series with EVF. So the next EVF model will likely be the NX20 successor whenever it arrives.

It is just like Sony and Olympus - only top-end model NEX-7/E-M5 have built-in EVF (and larger body). Mid-level and entry-level models like NEX-5N, E-PL5 etc don't have a built-in EVF.

8 upvotes
DigitalVista
By DigitalVista (Jan 10, 2013)

NEX6 has built in EVF

1 upvote
grafli
By grafli (Jan 10, 2013)

@ DigitalVista: well the Nex 6 costs 1000$!! with the kit.

2 upvotes
JWest
By JWest (Jan 10, 2013)

I love the NX series, it's a fantastic set of cameras with an even better lens line-up. But I'd still love to see Samsung blur the line between "DSLR-style" cameras with a viewfinder, and "compact-style" cameras without.

An NX300 with a viewfinder would be pretty much my dream camera.

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 10, 2013)

random78:

Just a technicality, but there is a detachable EVF for the NX100. It's not the highest resolution but it doesn't lag and it's bright.

JWest:

The NX20 has an excellent EVF, and it's very likely the very probable NX30 will too.

0 upvotes
JWest
By JWest (Jan 11, 2013)

HowaboutRAW: Thanks for the info. I'm aware of Samsung's range of cameras with EVFs. I just think it's a shame that Samsung puts EVFs only on their DSLR-shaped cameras.

I buy mirrorless cameras solely as a pocketable backup for my DSLR. My NX100 just about fits the bill, whereas an NX20 would be far too large. I'd love an NX range camera the size of the NX300, but with an EVF. It seems like this is one of the few areas where Sony has the advantage over Samsung - other than the marketing, of course. :)

Comment edited 41 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 11, 2013)

JWest,

The NX100 has a detachable EVF, I own it. No it's not great, but it is certainly usable.

I think many a larger jacket pocket would fit the NX20, the zoom lens would be a different problem. I handled one today and briefly owned an NX20.

Perhaps the hypothetical NX30 could be a rangefinder style camera with a built in EVF.

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 12, 2013)

Yes, we know.
NX300 has no VF.
Sony NEX6 has a viewfinder.
Sony NEXF3 has no VF.
Sony NX5R has no VF.
Samsung NX20/NX30 has a viewfinder.
Sony has more models without, so go b!tch at them!

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 43 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
Cal22
By Cal22 (Jan 10, 2013)

Thanks for the "Hands-on"! This NX looks like a beauty. I guess the articulated rear screen will be way more appreciated than its touch function (which might be nevertheless welcomed by many). And since Samsung is driving things forward with such a speed as to overhaul the competitors, you may expect the NX300 to be improved even if it comes to performance and IQ. I'm looking forward to a full review!

And Samsung, please, offer an EVF (with high resolution) as an accessory for an NX300s, which has an exposure compensation dial at the right edge of the top-plate!

1 upvote
vlassov
By vlassov (Jan 10, 2013)

No viewfinder is a deal breaker for me. Too bad.

6 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 10, 2013)

Get an NX20.

The NX210 didn't have an EVF either.

NB, since you said viewfinder, there is nothing stopping you from using an optical VF in the flash shoe.

4 upvotes
kamranoob
By kamranoob (Feb 8, 2013)

So you can buy (I'm assuming) manual optical VF? I suppose it's obvious, but I didn't know that. Seeing as I use the 20 & 30mm primes on my NX1000, can you point me to any optical VF that would suit that setup?

0 upvotes
CbrWiz
By CbrWiz (Jan 10, 2013)

Another solution to a never existing problem.
Samsung should team up with Lytro and go for the redundant award.

3 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 10, 2013)

Yeah because good native lenses for the Sony Nex system aren't a problem for Sony, not.

That means Samsung, like Fuji, already his significant advantages to their APSC mirrorless system, advantages Sony still can't really bothered to match.

0 upvotes
Karl Summers
By Karl Summers (Jan 9, 2013)

Sorry I missed it. I was at the LG booth checking out their vacuum.

3 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Jan 9, 2013)

How are LG cameras BTW? Any good?

0 upvotes
Karl Summers
By Karl Summers (Jan 10, 2013)

They suck.

17 upvotes
Sosua
By Sosua (Jan 10, 2013)

Haha, well played Karl

1 upvote
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Jan 10, 2013)

Same as their vacuums, or better?

1 upvote
unotisto
By unotisto (Jan 10, 2013)

Oh my sides, Karl!

0 upvotes
starwolfy
By starwolfy (Jan 10, 2013)

I was checking Samsung's cars !

0 upvotes
ThomasSwitzerland
By ThomasSwitzerland (Jan 9, 2013)

Very appealing. I like the innovative drive of Samsung against the establishment. Courage compared to the boring old boys of digital camera makers. Will buy and support Samsung further.

7 upvotes
cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jan 10, 2013)

I like innovation on products consumers are clamoring for. I don't hear anyone asking for 3D or talking about it less companies trying to push it. Maybe I'm in a bubble though here in Southern California.

But I doubt it.

C

1 upvote
ThomasSwitzerland
By ThomasSwitzerland (Jan 10, 2013)

It is less about somebody asking for it (easier passive reactive business model). But, they at Samsung really act on risk and leave known territory. This makes them appealing to me.

The same way I bought a Samsung Note and not an Apple IPhone. Samsung really makes (produces) on own risk. This is great and needed in our poor world of outsourcing until the own country is deprived. And by this active behavior you get stronger.

3 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 12, 2013)

Better offer a lens sold separately, than make the whole camera 3d. Lucky for you.

0 upvotes
Kuturgan
By Kuturgan (Jan 9, 2013)

Finally some great innovations from Samsung!

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 9, 2013)

Yeah because good native lenses early in the release of this NX series wasn't an innovation, not. Sony still can't be bothered to ship good lenses for the Nex series.

And Fuji is the only other APSC mirrorless interchangeable lens camera maker, and Samsung was there a good while before Fuji. (Unless you want to count the Leica M8 which came with very high quality lens options, then I guess Leica beat Samsung.)

Yes, I know that Olympus and Panasonic did some good m4/3rds lenses early on to.

1 upvote
markprincess
By markprincess (Jan 9, 2013)

How are the new Samsung vacuum cleaners?

1 upvote
DigitalVista
By DigitalVista (Jan 10, 2013)

@howaboutraw

Not that I dont understand your point, but NEX lens are doing quite well now.

The new 35 1.8 OSS is VERY Good, the new 10-18 OSS Zoom is also very Good, more on the way...

0 upvotes
In hydraulis
By In hydraulis (Jan 10, 2013)

@HowaboutRAW

[in addition to Samsung] "Fuji is the only other APSC mirrorless interchangeable lens camera maker"

Canon?
Pentax?
Ricoh, even? (slightly debatable)

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 10, 2013)

DigitalVista:

Most Nex lenses suck, don't confuse sales with high quality.

As for the "new 35 1.8 OSS"; it hasn't shipped, so that doesn't count until people have used it.

In hydraulis:

Canon just launched theirs, and with only two lenses.

You mean the Pentax K03? Yep, I missed that, but credited Pentax with an APSC mirrorless system in the comments on the release announcement. Also Samsung and Fuji did new lens development for their systems; Pentax took a different approach.

Ricoh, owner of Pentax, makes another APSC sensored mirrorless system?

Of course there's always the Leica M8, no lens quality problem there--though expensive and don't use above ISO 320.

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 6 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
In hydraulis
By In hydraulis (Jan 10, 2013)

Ricoh's mirrorless GXR system is a bit of an oddball, but I think it deserves a lot more credit than it gets.

I'll grant that the M8 — from 2006 — wins hands down, though.

0 upvotes
In hydraulis
By In hydraulis (Jan 10, 2013)

Argh! I take it back!

The Epson R-D1 was announced in 2004, discontinued in 2007 — and had a 24×16mm sensor!

Ding ding! We have a winner!

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 10, 2013)

In hydralis,

There was a recent (2010?) Japan/Europe only version of the Epson R-D1, letter X I believe.

Are all the Ricoh GXR modules APSC? The one for the M mount lenses must be.

0 upvotes
In hydraulis
By In hydraulis (Jan 10, 2013)

Re: the GXR

Four out of six have APSC sensors. Two primes, the zoom, and the M mount.

Tbh I might look into that Epson. Very intrigued...

0 upvotes
Merowech
By Merowech (Jan 9, 2013)

The most important question for me is: Have the Raw write times improved compared to the previous generation?

1 upvote
tkbslc
By tkbslc (Jan 9, 2013)

That was mainly a function of the 60MB RAW file sizes, which I also hope have been fixed.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 9, 2013)

Merowech:

On the NX20 the raw write times for single shots were improved a bit with the firmware update v1.0 I believe, June 2012. It didn't turn the NX20 into a camera able to say keep up with the Pentax K5 but it sure helped.

0 upvotes
rallyfan
By rallyfan (Jan 9, 2013)

Another product that looks great and very competitive in all aspects, if not class-leading everywhere, from a company with among the worst support in the business. It's a deal breaker for me and it's a real shame, the cameras themselves are probably excellent.

5 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 9, 2013)

Some of the NX lenses are class leading and yes I'm including the Fuji X lenses in this class.

6 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Jan 9, 2013)

Using Samsung products for more than 4 years, I never used their support so far, so I can't tell whether it's good or bad, but their products are pretty good.

Comment edited 24 seconds after posting
6 upvotes
ProfHankD
By ProfHankD (Jan 9, 2013)

3D using two views through the same lens is a technology I've worked with a lot, and this should be good -- especially for video. However, the photo showing the LC shutters reveals that the left/right apertures have different shapes. Thus, superimposing them for fused 3D vision will fail on out-of-focus regions. Ooops....

2 upvotes
sorinx
By sorinx (Jan 9, 2013)

Faster focusing. Tiltable screen. Touchscreen.
It just needs a good all-around lens. 16-70 F4, or something like that.

3 upvotes
Cal22
By Cal22 (Jan 10, 2013)

There's a 20 - 50 mm zoom lens. It's compact and lightweight, characteristics Samsung seems to be giving high significance in designing lenses. It has no stabilisation, but in a test it proved to deliver really high image quality at f5,6 and f8,0.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 10, 2013)

Cal22:

It's not the greatest optical quality, though Samsung also makes a more expensive zoom lens of of 18mm to 200mm with better glass.

0 upvotes
xlotus
By xlotus (Jan 10, 2013)

I agreed with what Sorinx said. Plus, I hope NX300 has much improve write performance than all its predecessors.

A 20-50 is not wide enough on APS-C camera.
A 16-50 like the new one from Sony is much more useful.
Any lenses, even cheap ones, look good at F8. It doesn't prove anything.

0 upvotes
Cal22
By Cal22 (Jan 11, 2013)

HowaboutRAW:
xlotus:

The 20-50 mm is so lightweight, it's no problem taking it with you all the time. It's no lens for all purposes but for many. It has a reduced focal length, you can't deny, but I bet, the more you get familiar with the lens, the more it will serve to your convenience. (I had and still have a full-frame Zeiss 35-70mm) More important than focal range is IQ.

I don't like these wide range zoom lenses (like this 18-200mm). They promise to be the right tool for many situations and yet you will be not satisfied with the pictures they deliver. And very soon you will be wondering what this heavyweight thing in your camerabag might be good for. This is how I see it.

And as to the IQ of these 2 lenses, go to PHOTOZONE - Lens Reviews! The testresults are astonishing!

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 11, 2013)

Cal22:

My apologies, I thought you were commenting on the Samsung 50mm-200mm zoom.

I own the 50mm to 200m it's not real good for colour, not up to my Zeiss 50mm, while my Samsung F2 30mm lens comes close to the Zeiss--all used on my NX100 bodies.

As for the 20mm-50mm, yes that's plenty good, it's what came with my first used Samsung NX100 body, but it's still not up to the 30mm F2 NX lens.

The 20mm-50mm lens was so good that's what made me get the 30mm F2.

0 upvotes
3dreal
By 3dreal (Jan 9, 2013)

youi need not check 3d-image-quality but you should at least show us something. Somewhere i have seen filesize 3D being 4mp only which is understandable to get the speed. Ok dont really understand what is going on in the 3d-process.

We want to know which stereobase it has and equiv. FL. I calculated at least 140mm.
btw: just read about new sony td30 camcorder with the same 30mm base like td10.

0 upvotes
gsum
By gsum (Jan 9, 2013)

"When it comes to quick 'grab shots', for example, touching the screen to focus is so much quicker than manually positioning the AF point".

Why is it quicker than pointing the camera at what you want to focus on and then using focus lock whilst framing? Can anyone on the planet get a one-handed grab shot without blur? The Gadget Show people couldn't and nor could I. Touch screens on cameras are a useless gimmick.

Samsung make excellent cameras and lenses but they need to concentrate on useful photographic features rather gimmicks. They also need to use metal for their lens bodies as the one area in which their cameras are weak is in their look and feel.

0 upvotes
zkz5
By zkz5 (Jan 9, 2013)

Because when you focus and recompose you also move the focus plane, and sometimes by enough to matter?

2 upvotes
Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Jan 9, 2013)

Unless you separate focus lock from AE lock, focus and recompose /can/ lead to incorrectly-exposed images and, as zkz5 points out, can result in incorrect focus.

I was surprised by my experience using the Olympus E-PM5 with the touch shutter. Cradling the camera in my left hand and using my right index finger to position focus produced pretty reliable results.

2 upvotes
Cane
By Cane (Jan 9, 2013)

I shoot one handed most of the time and they are tack sharp. You need to lay off the coffee.

1 upvote
zos xavius
By zos xavius (Jan 9, 2013)

These cameras don't have stabilization I don't think, so that doesn't help.

0 upvotes
random78
By random78 (Jan 9, 2013)

One man's gimmick is another's feature. I find touch to select focus point a useful feature on my NEX-5N and somewhat miss it on my NX200. I don't use the touch to focus all the time but there are times when I find it handy. Where I find it even more useful is as a focus aid for my landscape shots on tripod. It is so quick and easy to click on different parts of the scene to magnify them and check critical sharpness.

Also you don't need to shoot with one hand to use touch focus. I normally use my right thumb to select a focus point on LCD while still holding the camera with both hands. There are some cases when I have to take on hand off the grip to select the focus point, but even then I shift the hand back to the grip before taking the picture. I have never taken a one-handed picture when when using touch focus.

0 upvotes
targut
By targut (Jan 9, 2013)

Useless gimmick? You may use any words you wish, and these words tell a lot about you.

Regarding touch AF, I find this feature very useful on my OM-D and do not want to miss it anymore in my NX.

0 upvotes
Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jan 9, 2013)

@Cane - read again. Its not about shake problems - its about the focus plane. When you turn the camera towards the correct framing, then the focus plane is rotating.So - focussing and then rotating is not a good idea - at least not for large apertures.

1 upvote
fakuryu
By fakuryu (Jan 9, 2013)

It is deceptively big!

0 upvotes
Total comments: 150