Interview: Tetsuya Yamamoto of Nikon

Tetsuya Yamamoto, General Manager of Nikon’s Development Headquarters within its Imaging Division. (Image courtesy Nikon Inc.)

At this year’s International CES show in Las Vegas, we spoke to Tetsuya Yamamoto, General Manager of Nikon’s Development Headquarters within its Imaging Division. We discussed the market’s reaction to the 1 J1 and V1, and how the system might evolve in the future.

According to Yamamoto, Nikon has been pleased with the success of the 1 System, especially the J1, in the American market but that even before the system's launch 'we were very confident that there were customers out there who would gravitate towards the V1 and the J1'.

He told us that the sort of people buying the J1 and V1 are those customers that 'want a DSLR but don’t want something big and heavy’. He went on, '1 System customers like the fast AF and the size of the cameras and lenses, and once they’ve used [new features like] Motion Snapshot they really like them'. 

1 System sensor 'capable of 2K / 4K video'

Yamamoto told us that Motion Snapshot, which combines a still image with slow motion video in a single capture is a feature that Nikon is keen to improve in the next generation of 1 System cameras. There’s good news, potentially for videographers too - according to Yamamoto 'the [J1 and V1’s] sensor is capable of 2K (2048×1080px) and 4K (~4000px horizontal resolution) video and in the future we hope to incorporate [these functions]'.

'We are going to develop brighter lenses for better total performance'

Also on the agenda for future 1 System products it appears, are improvements to their innovative 'Hybrid' AF systems, which combine conventional contrast-detection AF with a faster phase-detection system, all using the main 10MP imaging sensor.

The key, according to Yamamoto, is faster lenses. He told us 'we want to develop higher speed AF, and specifically to improve phase-detection AF from the imaging sensor. This depends on lens aperture – if the lens [has a larger aperture] then AF is much faster'. In the future, he told us, 'we are going to develop brighter lenses for better total performance – brighter but still small'. 

The Nikon 1 J1 and V1 are built around a one-inch 10MP CMOS sensor that is capable of both phase-detection and contrast-detection AF. The EVF-equipped V1 is aimed at a slightly higher level than the J1 but both are essentially intended to be used as point-and-shoot cameras. 
The Nikon 1 V1 pictured with the currently available 1 System lenses - (from right to left) the 10-30mm F3.5-5.6 VR, the 30-110mm F2.8-5.6 VR, the 10mm F2.8 pancake and the (comparatively) enormous 10-100mm F4.5-5.6 VR powerzoom.

Manual AF control, in-camera NEF editing and Effects filters 'for the future'

Still on the subject of Hybrid AF, which switches between contrast-detection and phase-detection AF modes automatically depending on light level, we asked Yamamoto why Nikon made this system entirely automatic. 'We are studying [manual AF mode control] for the future' he told us: 'for V1-class cameras we would like to do this manually but [AF mode selection in] J1-level models will remain automatic'.

Also potentially on the horizon for future 1 System models, Yamamoto told us, are in-camera NEF (raw) conversion, and in-camera 'Effects'. Asked why the first two functions were omitted from the J1 and V1, Yamamoto explained 'the J1 and V1 are in a new category, and [for these initial releases] we wanted to [focus on] enhancing basic functions like AF and introduce new ones like Motion Snapshot'. In the future though, he told us, 'we are studying the inclusion of [both] in-camera effects and raw conversion'.

'We may provide an option to customize Auto ISO in the future'

During the process of creating our in-depth review of the 1 System cameras, our experience of the J1 and V1’s Automatic ISO system has been that they constantly risk blurry images in low light by selecting low ISO sensitivity settings and relatively low shutter speeds. Yamamoto assured us 'we are aware of the issue'. But, he explained - 'the target user [for the J1/v1] is a point-and-shoot customer and for that user we thought that it was better to make [the function] purely automatic'.

'We always have to find a balance [between noise and sharpness]' he went on, 'but after having a lot of discussions and getting feedback we may need to come up with another option'. Encouragingly, he added that 'we may provide an option for customers to customize Auto ISO performance in the future'.

We ended the interview by asking Mr Yamamoto for his vision of the future, and whether mirrorless cameras will replace consumer-level DSLRs. 'We don't think so' Yamamoto told us - 'mirrorless is one solution [if the aim is] compactness but it is just one approach. We don't think it is the only direction, and we are considering further reductions in size even for [our DSLR] cameras'. 


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AlexeiD
By AlexeiD (Mar 24, 2013)

Great example of what kind of video can be shot with Nikon V1. This video was shot in 4K in RAW on V1, then downscaled to 2.4K

http://fil.io/FL5m3/Nikon%20V1%202.4K%20video%20by%20Javier%20Sobremazas

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gerardeux
By gerardeux (May 1, 2012)

It would be nice if Nikon differentiated the J1 and V1 more. The crop factor, EVF, and the for it's size excellent sensor makes the V1 one of the best portable wildlife and birding camera's when coupled to the "normal" Nikon telelenses via the the FT1 adapter. At this time however coupling to the FT1 limits the autofocus to center spot which makes flight shots very difficult . Fixing that, better customizing for ISO and PASM modes for the V1 would make it my next camera.

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svx94
By svx94 (Feb 22, 2012)

I will get one after Nikon put a tilt/swivel LCD.

1 upvote
Thanatham Piriyakarnjanakul

Why people want easy to broke LCD? :P

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camerashopminion
By camerashopminion (Mar 19, 2012)

Had my Powershot G5 for nearly a decade now and the LCD is still doing fine...

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proxy
By proxy (Feb 7, 2012)

No matter how you guys put it it is NOT going to be a classic...
Nikon tries to put a happy face and save the day but there are so many APS-C size cameras in the making by all major players that V1 and J1 was/is sinking from day one and will drown soon entirely. That's the reality.
Although, maybe if they make it pink...??? (just crossed my mind...).
Nah...

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Scorpio_2005
By Scorpio_2005 (Feb 9, 2012)

They sure did: Nikon 1 j1 10-30/30-110 pink is sold for about $850 in Russia :-)

http://olimp.ru/price.php?id=70109

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kadarpik
By kadarpik (Feb 4, 2012)

V1 annoying things: EVF does not show live view after images has been captured in single shot mode. This is frustrating and makes camera useless sometimes to catch moments. It is normal to show last image at LCD but EVF should act differently.

No bracketing of any kind, this is sad, it has 60fps could be nice to capture some handheld HDR-s.

2.8 fixed aperture zoom would be very welcome. 8-30 2.8 would be superb.

flash integration is ridiculous. You create a nice camera with toy flash and no connections to external systems. No even possibility to sync wirelessly. Otherwise V1 could allow to create an easy carry kit for internet products, low quality Internet real estate whatever.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

I dunno.... Here is a NIKON lens (10x zoom for the V1 & J1) for a camera with a sensor just one small step of from the Fujifilm X10 & X-S1's 2/3-inch imager. So, this Nikon beast is only a modest 10x range zoom lens, but look how huge it really is, and even at its widest focal setting, this thing is an F4.5 lens!!!! Talk about the Black Hole of Calcutta, wow.

Meanwhile, the FUJINON optic on the X-S1 is 26x, and at its widest focal length it is an F2.8 lens. Huge difference in my book. Heck, up until just now I had no idea it is even POSSIBLE to build a 10x zoom lens that starts at F4.5.... and then goes gradually darker as you zoom in towards 100mm.

But it now seems that the Canikon Group is always out there to surprise us... and not always in a good way, I might add.

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ageha
By ageha (Sep 15, 2012)

The only problem is the X-S1's AF sucks compared to the Nikon 1.

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Zoltan Csuka
By Zoltan Csuka (Feb 2, 2012)

They got right so many things the first time: AF speed, sensor/camera size, build quality, 10 FPS with AF, colors, metering, silent shutter, very little color noise, etc.
Unfortunately Nikon representatives need to do some "talk-up" since they lack in many areas: lens choice, lens speed/bokeh, ergonomics (especially V1), hot shoe, 24p, known firmware bugs etc. Nikon does not do this explaining and talk up very often but they definitely feel the heat and pressure.
We will have to see if this talk will be followed by rapid actions. At this point this system is just a great start.

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Thanatham Piriyakarnjanakul

Why Nikon not make Nikon 1 as World first 4k consumer camera?

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magneto shot
By magneto shot (Feb 1, 2012)

translated : F1.8 and lol...still unable to have bokeh. can we just stick to 4/3rd ;-)

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (Feb 1, 2012)

Yes sensor size is right, for future expansion into more useful and pocketable cameras. Nikon took one step in the right direction.

Its the lens line that need to be build and can only be developed with the passage of time. m4/3 (am big fan of them) also came with kit lenses and then expanded to something close to complete.

What I want Nikon to focus is on better sensor technologies like Fuji is experimenting with, (no worries for buildin flash of VF, take them out and make them shrink, give Hot shoe for those who need it), more accurate metering and focus (its quite good at this moment), tilting LCD like Sony NEX, and touch sensitive. Shrink the body even smaller and thinner than J1 and keep it metal and weather sealed.

- Yes for MF controls
- Keep electronic shutter
- Customize Auto ISO
- RAW HD video?

Give it a RAW deal, core functionality and photographers of all genre will buy it. Its target market is just right, good for both worlds, beginers, enthusiast and pro (as backup)

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Andrew Booth
By Andrew Booth (Feb 1, 2012)

The Series 1 will always be a fashion camera, rather than a creative camera.

This small sensor size even when coupled with fast lenses will not deliver the ability to shoot creative low depth of field pictures that it's larger sensor competitors enjoy. Not ever.

Given that the camera isn't much smaller than Nikon's competitor's models - the whole exercise reeks of cynical market manipulation with a view to protecting Nikon's DSLR range.

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HeavyDuty
By HeavyDuty (Feb 1, 2012)

So only shallow DOF is creative? LOL

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Josh152
By Josh152 (Feb 1, 2012)

I don't understand why so many think shallow DOF is the end all and be all of photography. It's not.

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CriticalI
By CriticalI (Feb 1, 2012)

Because they read it on a gear forum ;)

Someone tell Ansell Adams...

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Andrew Booth
By Andrew Booth (Feb 2, 2012)

So suddenly controlling depth of field is NOT creative?

Not something you guys are ever going to want to do? Enjoy your fashion camera!

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Josh152
By Josh152 (Feb 2, 2012)

Nobody said it wasn't creative, we said it wasn't the only way to be creative and not having it doesn't' mean you can't make creative images. The content of the image or the story it tells or the emotion it conveys is far more important than how much DOF it has.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

'We are going to develop brighter lenses for better total performance"

Duuh, you think so, really? You mean to tell me, you will soon have the technology to develop a ZOOM LENS that can start at its wide angle end a bit faster than the current F4.5 on your 10-100mm clunker?

Really, Nikon? Prove it, then.

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mjbehnke
By mjbehnke (Feb 1, 2012)

hmmmm

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Neodp
By Neodp (Jan 31, 2012)

See. we're getting half-way decent cameras, and the least of these evils, go for astronomical prices; just because their the lesser of evils. We think we're getting the best. We can do better, than that. Where's the total camera, and that's also affordable? Why are we buying half-way done cameras? Will no one step up to the plate?

Also we're in danger of some marketing idiot dictating what type of camera he thinks we want, because one type failed. Yet, it didn't sale less because it was small, or because it was range finder, or because it was mirror-less, is sold poorly because you did it wrong. Ever think of that? A camera must be balanced. I don't need gimmicks; that are not related to photography. I don't need the outstanding features, to be killed by the missing ones. Put it all together.

This piece meal, component(including accessories) price greed, and "protecting" a brands more expensive camera lines will cost them more, over time, and diminish their brand.

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gadgets
By gadgets (Feb 1, 2012)

Neodp, do you want some cheese with that whine?

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

Fact is, NONE of the digital camera makers give a flying hoot about what their customers really want. None of them do, in fact.

Instead, they come out with what THEY THINK will MAXIMIZE THEIR PROFIT. It's the bean counters who are calling the shots these days, folks, so might as well make the best of it.

What can we do? Simple. NOT buy the junk, which is actually simpler than it sounds. Since about 95% of the new cameras and lenses can be quickly relegated into the "JUNK" box.

Like, for instance, a pricey NIKON zoom lens that starts at an F4.5 iris at its widest end. A certified piece of junk, really.

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Neodp
By Neodp (Jan 31, 2012)

Part 3:

We OBVIOUSLY need built-in stabilization, and fast glass, and fast AF, and fast shot-to shot in Raw, and ACCURATE AE, and CA and distortion correction automatically, per lens, and silent operation, and 1024p Video without wiggly Jello effects, and harsh AE changes. Then, we need all that, in a value, and affordable package (I like retro looks, and black.). Fuji is trying (but to pricey) so why aren't Canon, and Nikon? Why isn't Pany putting their 4/3rds in Ultra zooms. What aren't camera makers making everything in both fixed, comprehensive lens (matching advantages, and to cost), and also making a removable model with 3 good (but affordable) primes. I mean, do they think were stupid? We're not going to pay the price, for the whole camera, for just one lens. Please, wake up.

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (Feb 1, 2012)

Actually, you just answered yourself: "Fuji is trying (but to pricey) so why aren't Canon, and Nikon?"

Pricy or more correctly, POOR value for money... that is enough to make a product obsolete even before it hits the market. Nikon and Canon have better things to do, more products to sell than to dabble in money-losing ventures.

Only Fujifilm and other small players which have nothing to lose are willing to try. So, let them try. Let the market decide if that is indeed what people want. Being the first in the market means nothing if one cannot survive in this cut-throat competitive environment. Check out Minolta if you don't know what I mean.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

"We OBVIOUSLY need... 1024p Video."

I sure as heck do not need this "1024p Video" for anything, so why do you, really?

"Fuji is trying (but to pricey)"

So, I guess maybe the main problem is some folks cannot afford these cameras that have most of the 'must have' specs that they say that they need or want?

"Nikon and Canon have better things to do, more products to sell than to dabble in money-losing ventures. Only Fujifilm and other small players which have nothing to lose are willing to try."

MY TAKE: The Canikon Group is well on its way to past tense history. They are quickly becoming bumbling Goliaths. The future indeed belongs to these "nothing to lose" players such as Fujifilm, Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, Pentax, Samsung, and so on. Even the mighty dinosaurs had died out, remember?

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Neodp
By Neodp (Jan 31, 2012)

Also, you don't make a new, small mirror-less camera; without pushing the boundaries. That's the whole point. We're so sick, and tired, of tiny increments to overall quality. It is new breakthroughs in EVF, such as hybrid EVF, and getting those speeds up to DLSR levels, that is making these newly possible. Design quality lenses, and smaller. Todays lenses have to be well matched, to the rest of the camera. Do it well! Design new sensor technology. I was SUPPOSED to be impossible to produce the new sensor (and supporting processing) in the D7000, on that level, but there you go. It's NOT impossible, and we didn't break laws of physics, doing it.

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Neodp
By Neodp (Jan 31, 2012)

Respects to Nikon, and it's fine workers.

It's so great that Nikon even attempted this and they did find new innovation. However, the idea that certain features can be left to their DSLR's is wrong. It's as if they've decided only girls who never change settings, will want a small camera. That's just wrong. Be all you can be. Make the best camera you can. Don't leave stuff out. Sure, some things are debatable, but included abilities, and control should be all about making better pictures and highly centered on what real photographers use, and are calling for. It does not matter, if the typical user, of a select model expects the camera to think, for them. it doesn't and they will eventually see that, in their pictures. It doesn't matter, that some peoples picture IQ standards are low, the camera will not stand th test of time. It's practicality dishonest, to make disposable digital cameras. It starts with the lens(es), then a sensitive sensor, and a body with ALL things balanced.

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (Feb 1, 2012)

You obviously don't know a bloody thing about these cameras. It can do things that very, very few DSLRs can do. Real professional photographers are snapping them up.

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raincoat
By raincoat (Jan 31, 2012)

I don't want my DSLR to be any smaller. I need its size for comfort.
I want it to be lighter tho, every generation you've added 20-30g. Note that Pentax from K20D to K7 dropped about 100g despite increased features.

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OneGuy
By OneGuy (Jan 31, 2012)

Funny, no comment so far is seeing the Nikon "faster lens" announcement in light of Jan 11 Pana news actually showing proto/mockup faster zoom lens for m4/3.

In response to Pana fast lens announcement, I said: "I'd expect Nikon Sys1 to offer higher speed lenses as well." Now that I congratulated myself it is time for Pana to deliver, oh, sub 2 speed.

It also seems Mr. Yamamoto -- without having any lenses to show -- is under some pressure. His shirt is clipping a bit, too, but we all could use some extra DR and "less noise."

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

@ OneGuy: An F0.95 lens is fast. So is an F1.2 and an F1.4 lens, actually.

But an F2.8 lens is NOT fast. I guess it is faster than the Nikon 10-100mm lens for their 1 Series, which starts at a laughable F4.5 and then goes darker from there.

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jimkahnw
By jimkahnw (Jan 31, 2012)

People who haven't used the Nikon 1 system shouldn't comment on the camera. Having just returned from a week in Istanbul, I found the camera a worthy substitute for my D300. IQ: I placed an image in a 2013 12" x 12" calender; so we see the future of camera technology that defies physics. I have used cameras with only three controls: aperture, shutter speed and focus. I carried a hand-held light meter. They used film, which I had to process if I wanted any kind of quality. The 1 series can be used without the fancy auto settings Nikon provides the point and shooters, and without custom settings, buried in endless menus. OK, for ISO adjustment, there's a trip to the menu. But if you leave the ISO the last function accessed, it's there up front for the next time. If the auto ISO selection is too slow, use manual. No big deal. Here's a link to my images, a quick edit of the 1750 I made. File names beginning with HG were made on a Nikon D60: http://www.jimkphotographics.com/istanbul2012/

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DWR0082
By DWR0082 (Jan 31, 2012)

Make it cheaper than an entry dslr and then I'll be interested. That's my main issue with m4/3 and the Nikon 1 system. (I'm cheap)

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (Jan 31, 2012)

Amen! These Nikon 1 cams competes with the E-PM1 and should be priced accordingly!

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (Jan 31, 2012)

An entry level DSLR is no match for the V1. In fact, it is faster than a D7000, but of course the D7000 has some significant advantages. Still, trying to compare this camera to a D3100 or a D5100 is a poor bet.

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Josh152
By Josh152 (Feb 1, 2012)

@BackInTheGame

You are making the faulty assumption every one needs a blazing fast camera. They don't. Without the need for the af speed, an entry level DSLR is far superior to the 1 series in every aspect except for weight.

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Fullframer
By Fullframer (Feb 1, 2012)

?An entry level DSLR is no match for the V1. In fact, it is faster than a D7000, but of course the D7000 has some significant advantages. Still, trying to compare this camera to a D3100 or a D5100 is a poor bet."

Sorry Back in the Game, but a D5100 (has the same sensor as D7000) is superior to a V1 in every aspect except/size weight. Lets remember the V1 Autofocus is only fast in good light. Once light gets dimmer it swtiches to Contrast mode and thus is slower than an entry level DSLR in autofocus. You have no control over whether the V1 focuses in phase or contrast.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

"People who haven't used the Nikon 1 system shouldn't comment on the camera."

Of course they should. Unless they are Mitt Romney rich, so they can first buy and then use every single camera and lenses ever released by anyone. And even if you are Mitt Romney rich, who has got that much time to do incessant product testing of everything under the Sun, anyhow?

"I placed an image in a 2013 12" x 12" calender."

Q: Who needs a 2013 calendar for anything, considering we had just started in the year 2012?

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Zoran K
By Zoran K (Jan 31, 2012)

An image from my Samsung EX1 was accepted from micro stock library.

If I can get similar lens from Nikon I would be happy 1V1/J1 camper... until then I will use D3 and occasionally Samsung EX1.

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J Parker
By J Parker (Jan 31, 2012)

Although so many of us were looking forward to an APS-C sensor compact from Nikon, we just might be making too much of this small sensor vs. large sensor thing. Magnum photographer Alex Majoli used a camera with a sensor much smaller than the V1/J1 sensor -- and shot for National Geographic, Newsweek, and Vanity Fair under some pretty demanding conditions (i.e. the wars in the Congo and Iraq; the presidential elections here in the U.S.). These 'small sensor camera' images earned him some of photojournalism's most prestigious awards, including the U.S. National Press Photographers Association's Best of Photojournalism Magazine Photographer of the Year Award and the U.S. Overseas Press Club's Feature Photography Award.

My point is simply this -- if he could do that with an 8 year old point and shoot that you could pick up on ebay for $100, I think we can give Nikon's cameras a fairer shake than some of us (including myself) have.

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CriticalI
By CriticalI (Jan 31, 2012)

You have hit the nail squarely on the head. It's not what the camera can do on paper, it's what it can do in your hands.

For "situational" photography it's a hard camera to beat.

If you want a portable landscape camera, then the NEX7 with a couple of Leica primes is just about perfect ;)

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Valiant Thor
By Valiant Thor (Jan 31, 2012)

I have had an NEX 7 on order since August. Anyone got one of these yet? I just got the Carl Zeiss 24mm for it from Amazon yesterday but still no camera.

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Neodp
By Neodp (Jan 31, 2012)

The sensor quality is about the D40 level, which is amazing, but a hair less than the 4/3rds current best. For the price, that's wrong. I'd get the D40 instead, even if a little bigger, due to (used)price, and performance. Obviously new, I'd look toward the D5100, which is Nikon's lackluster point. They simply did not do their best. The guy practically said, they took away some quality, to make it smaller. That's wrong. Don't make it smaller, until the quality remains! That their job. Not tiered-level, Barbie cams. Especially at theses premium prices. The Canon T3, DSLR kit costs less than this! That's not right.

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Clayton1985
By Clayton1985 (Feb 1, 2012)

I owned the D40 and it was a great camera at that time. The V1 smokes it..... it isn't even close.

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (Feb 1, 2012)

Indeed after all the in-camera RAW processing, what's not to like about the V1/J1?

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

"I have had an NEX 7 on order since August."

MY INTERPRETATION: In other words... you do NOT have a Sony NEX-7 camera. Good to know, too.

From a price for performance angle, you can easily spend US$1,600 for a Nikon V1 with that God-awful F4.5 and darker 10-100mm Nikon zoom lens. That's just plain wrong, as you are still having at your disposal and advanced mirrorles compact camera with a truly dark lens, nothing much else.

Nikon themselves have a number of cameras that make much better deals and a lot more sense than their unfathomable 1 Series.

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CriticalI
By CriticalI (Jan 31, 2012)

Some people seem to be struggling with the idea that Nikon have 3 sensor formats, CX, DX and FX, on which to base a wide range of solutions for a wide customer base in the future. Many of their existing solutions work very well already.

Just because the combination you want is not there yet, or because you personally don't want a CX camera, so what? Why is that interesting? There are alternatives. If you want to tow a boat, don't buy a Miata.

Honestly some people here will probably complain about the length of the queue at the pearly gates.

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Neodp
By Neodp (Jan 31, 2012)

...and some people are fine with mediocrity, and paying a premium for it. Others, no better.

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CriticalI
By CriticalI (Feb 1, 2012)

Know they don't.

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (Feb 1, 2012)

The issues with CX are:

(i) too expensive

(ii) lenses and bodies not small enough for small sensors

(iii) Nikon should stop fooling with in-camera RAW processing (see DPReview review) to give the false impression their cameras have good high-iso performance.

Apart from that, people have no issues with Nikon's CX cameras.

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CriticalI
By CriticalI (Feb 1, 2012)

Should Panasonic and Olympus stop fooling with RAW processing so that we can see the level of distortion and CA in their kit lenses?

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Josh152
By Josh152 (Feb 1, 2012)

@CriticalI

Yes they should. Or else stop calling the files RAWs because if in camera processing such as lens correction and noise reduction is applied, they aren't really RAW files.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

"Nikon have 3 sensor formats, CX, DX and FX"

Yeah, they do. Plus they have many others, like 1/1.7-inch, 1/2.3-inch, 1/3-inch, and so on. Right?

"some people here will probably complain about the length of the queue at the pearly gates."

Good point. It is waaaay to long, I tell ya', last time I checked.

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psandham
By psandham (Jan 31, 2012)

The J1/V1 series is a great start for Nikon. I'm sure improvements will follow as discussed in this article. I didn't hear Mr. Yamamoto explain how Nikon will get the scratched zoom lens used by DPReview in their review of the FT-1 adapter to perform better, but we can always hope...

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Jan 31, 2012)

Minor scratches on the front element generally make virtually no difference to IQ - just ask a picture editor :)

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psandham
By psandham (Feb 1, 2012)

"generally" is the operative word in your reply. I just found it humorous, albeit sad, that DPReview would use an outdated, scratched lens (which was a garbage lens new) as the testing lens for a review of the 1 series FT-1 adapters. I expected better, but I'm learning that if it doesn't say "Canon" the review will be sub-par. Spoken as a true, 45+ years Nikon fan-boy.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

Control yourself, psandham.

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Octane
By Octane (Jan 31, 2012)

Sounds all very good. Especially faster lenses was one of the main things I on my Nikon 1 wish list.

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slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (Jan 31, 2012)

It seems that many are surprised that next '1' camera will bring improvements over the previous generation. Now who would have thought of that ...

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Jan 31, 2012)

What's interesting to me, as someone who asks manufacturers about their future plans quite frequently, is that for once someone actually said something :)

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

They just released the 1 Series, and instead of pushing it as an elixir, they are already resorting to the rosy future prospects of the replacement model cameras and optics???

Someone should have asked this chap what was Nikon thinking when they released a large, cumbersome 10x zoom lens for the 1 Series cameras that starts at a dismal, darker-than-hell F4.5 iris.... and then goes even darker from there.

Anybody? I mean, if there ever was a "high noon, summer beach only" lens, this is it.

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topstuff
By topstuff (Jan 31, 2012)

People trying to predict the future of the 1, or how Canon will enter the game, are really clutching at straws while ignoring the hard, irrefutable, unchangeable facts of the science of digital technology.

People say the sensor is too small? Rubbish.

People say that only APSC sized sensor cameras are the way forward? Also rubbish.

The sensor is small because it allows the lenses to be small. The relationship between sensor size and lens size cannot change easily.

But the sensor is big ENOUGH to offer high IQ. The result is a camera that is faster and more compact than NEX, especially with a telephoto lens.

Canon have not played their cards yet. If they offer larger sensor mirrorless, the lenses will have to be larger. For many people, that would still be advantage Nikon 1. If people want a larger camera, they will take their DSLR after all.

It would not surprise me at all if Canon took a similar direction to Nikon with a new, smaller sensor. Now that would shock people!

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ChrisKramer1
By ChrisKramer1 (Jan 31, 2012)

But the camera isn't small and the lenses aren't small either. In fact, it is thicker than the Olympus E3. Nikon could have made it smaller, but they didn't want to because smaller size is going to be one of their "updates". As it is, Nikon are offering a smaller sensor than M4/3 in a bigger body at a higher price without a built in flash and some basic controls. Wow, thanks Nikon.

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Cax
By Cax (Jan 31, 2012)

Did you write anything in the vicinity of this when Olympus launched the 4/3 system?

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (Jan 31, 2012)

Except the lenses are not that much smaller than m43 even though the sensors are. So, what's the point? :)

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topstuff
By topstuff (Jan 31, 2012)

Urr, thats not right. For example, the Nikon 30-110 zoom is approximately 6cm long and weighs about 175g, thats about 30% shorter and 20% lighter than the equivalent Panasonic 45-175 zoom. And its narrower.

So the lenses ARE smaller. And they have smaller lenses coming. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of the m4/3 and the Oly EP3 and I am excited about the OM-D, but lets be accurate.

The Nikon 1 is genuinely small. Genuinely interesting and superior in many ways.

This is great news. Competitors have to compete. We consumers all benefit. These are exciting times for photography fans.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Jan 31, 2012)

In fairness to the earlier commenters, a V1 with 10-30 lens (which will be by far the most common combination) is essentially the same size as a PEN Mini with 14-42mm lens.

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panos_m
By panos_m (Jan 31, 2012)

Yes but Nikon 1 doesn't do software distortion correction.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Jan 31, 2012)

Everyone can cherry pick. For example the Oly 14-42 is only 16% longer, while having a slightly smaller diameter and being a hair lighter than the Nikon 10-30. The new Panasonic (X) 14-42 has a slightly larger diameter but is both shorter and weighs less too.
The Panasonic 14mm pancake has the same diameter, is slightly shorter and weighs 29% less than the Nikon 10mm pancake.
Both the Panasonic 14-140 and Oly 14-150 are shorter, have a smaller diameter and are less heavy than the Nikon 10-100. Especially the Oly weighs about *half* of the Nikon.
It's only the Nikon 30-110 that offers an advantage of 2.3 (Oly) to 3 (Pana) cm less length and less weight (14% less than Oly 31% less than Pana).

So yes, in general the advantage isn't shocking or simply not there, depending on which lenses you compare.

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topstuff
By topstuff (Jan 31, 2012)

Im not cherry picking.

The 10-100 is a dedicated video power zoom and not really comparable. It is unfeasibly and inexplicably large though, I'll give you that !

The 30-110 is the mainsteam lens practically everyone will buy .
It remains smaller than all the lenses you describe by a reasonable margin.

Besides, you miss the point. Given the smaller sensor, N1 lenses are always likely to be smaller. Its just physics.

I suspect future N1 lenses will demonstrate this better, while m4/3 lenses are really as small as they are going to ever be.

I guess the point here is that small sensors can be a GOOD thing. I instinctively push back against the accepted mantra that "small sensor = bad" and "large sensor=good". It is misleading and for millions of people, plain wrong.

Given that most people do not print large and often only view pictures on line or on an ipad, the obsession with sensor size is illogical. DoF issues aside, I congratulate Nikon on trying something new.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Jan 31, 2012)

Yes, you're still cherry picking, because you ignore the most obvious kitlenses which cover the most used range, around 28-80mm (35mm equiv.) and you're ignoring the pancakes. Basically you're looking at one lens and make a general statement based on that: "the *lenses* are smaller.." .
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And no, the N1 lenses are not always going to be smaller, which the above already proves. It completely depends on design choices. For example, whether or not power zoom is being used, register distance, collapsing designs are used, how much distortion is tolerated/corrected through software (vignetting included) etc. and last but not least, the size of the entrance pupil. For the same amount of light (same diameter of entrance pupil) and all else being equal, there shouldn't be much between them in size, but keep in mind that that would show different F stops on the lens barrels for the same 35mm equiv. FL because of the differently sized sensors.

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topstuff
By topstuff (Jan 31, 2012)

This is strange.

Your default position seems to be one of looking for the negative, while mine is one of looking for the positive.

Odd, that.

Are you seriously suggesting that there is not a correlation between sensor size and lens size?

And you are suggesting that even though the N1 sensor is perhaps HALF the area of m4/3 , there "should'nt be much between them" in lens size.

Frankly, your thesis is nonsense.

The huge Pentax 6x7 45mm lens / paperweight on my desk is evidence of the relationship between the size of the lens and the area of the film/sensor receiving the image.

I guess we will see what happens when Nikon bring out smaller lenses.

This is , after all, just a camera. I can't say I care enough about it to argue with you. Illogical negativity is a strange attitude to assume.

It is logical and correct to expect that a sensor half the area of m4/3 is likely to have smaller lenses.

I guess we'll see.

And I am not even a Nikon 1 user. I've got a NEX!

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Jan 31, 2012)

I'm simply observing the facts. 1 out of all 4 lenses available is smaller, 3 aren't really.You say the lenses are smaller based on that 1 lens, I say they aren't smaller in general.
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If you reread my post above, you'll see that there doesn't have to be a correlation, which isn't the same as saying there isn't one. Again we can both cherry pick examples to attempt to convince the other. You pick a Pentax MF, I say look at the tiny lenses on 35mm film compacts or the ones we just discussed.
But cherry picking doesn't prove anything, so we fall back on physics and the catch in the last sentence from my post above. *For the same amount of light* and the same equiv. FL, all else being equal, size should be about the same too. In reality it often isn't because F stops are usually similar too, which means the lens for the smaller sensor/larger cropfactor is often still smaller. But it also allows less light (for having a smaller entrance pupil).
And all else usually isn't equal.

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Skeeterbytes
By Skeeterbytes (Jan 31, 2012)

Have only handled the V1 in the store but find there's a good deal to like. Build and layout are both excellent, as is the EVF. Focus speed, even with the kit zoom, is very impressive. I could imagine an impulse-buy were it not $800. Nevertheless I think Nikon has a winning format in the 1 system. Because it's such a closed system (no hotshoe?!?) their risk would seem in making it complete and relatively affordable over the long haul.

As to Canon's intentions, I suspect the G1X sensor represents their mirrorless system format, should they head down that path. I think they're testing the waters with this rather odd camera.

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Revenant
By Revenant (Jan 31, 2012)

"The 30-110 is the mainstream lens practically everyone will buy."
Why would practically everyone choose a telephoto zoom lens, and not the normal kit zoom (10-30mm)? Most people who buy an APS-C DSLR buy the kit with the 18-55mm lens.

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (Jan 31, 2012)

True. It was about the same for me carrying the E-P3, the NEX 5N and the V1. It's just that the V1 is a heck of a lot better camera for for any possible situation, so I don't care.

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Clayton1985
By Clayton1985 (Feb 1, 2012)

I have a case to carry my V1 with 10-30 and 30-110. It is advertised to carry a NEX with a pancake lens and the 18-55. No way I'm getting two lenses in this bag with one of them having 300mm equiv reach unless it is the N1 -- not going to happen with m 4/3 or NEX. Sure, I can leave the 30-110 and go with the "most common combination" but I don't have to ;)

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

"The sensor is small because it allows the lenses to be small."

Maybe. Except for the 10-100mm, that is about 4x the size of the V1/J1 camera itself.

"Canon have not played their cards yet."

Of course they have. It is called the G1 X. They have nothing else left to play in this game, see?

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Low Budget Dave
By Low Budget Dave (Jan 31, 2012)

The people who are buying this camera don't want bokeh. They want the best point-and-shoot Nikon makes. If the picture of Mr. Yamamoto above was shot with a V1, then I bet the photographer was 20 meters away.

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (Jan 31, 2012)

No, they want well focused pictures, no matter what the subject is, no matter if it's moving, and no matter the direction. Great speed and metering doesn't hurt either.

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T3
By T3 (Jan 31, 2012)

I agree. The biggest issue with the size of the sensor, for me, is the lack of DOF control. It's nice to get a bit of background blur or subject isolation when you want it or need it, which is really difficult to attain with such a small sensor. In a few years, when all these mirrorless cameras have great AF and great overall performance, the Nikon mirrorless system will be the one stuck with the smallest sensor and least DOF control.

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (Feb 1, 2012)

T3: You got it right. This is why I believe Nikon's 1-system is a big mistake. Time will tell.

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lolopasstrail
By lolopasstrail (Feb 1, 2012)

I won't use a little camera if I wanted shallow DoF. I'd use medium format.

In fact, for my uses, I don't want shallow depth of field I want deep depth of field. Background blur looks too photographic, too much like a cliche.

Deep DoF is not a drawback of V1, it is a benefit.

No- Deep DoF is neither a drawback nor a benefit, it is a simple characteristic of any small camera. To excpect a small format to deliver shallow DoF is to expect a small camera to make your coffee, and to complain when it doesn't.

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Fullframer
By Fullframer (Feb 1, 2012)

I want bokeh in small camera, reason I bought a GF3 with a Leica F1.4 lens. Overall it's smaller than the V1 with kit zoom.

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lolopasstrail
By lolopasstrail (Feb 1, 2012)

Do you know what Bokeh means? It is a feature of a lens, not a camera body. It describes how unfocussed areas appear, not the existence of unfocused areas.

I think it's Bunkeh. I really don't care how out of focus areas look. They have no interest to me. I want the image to appear as an image in its own right, not one that screams, hey, look at me, I am a photograph made from a camera by a photographer who is clever enough to use the focus control.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

Portions of the frame that are OOF are wasted. Shallow focus pix.... well, they sort of look like what your eyes would see before a cataract operation, see?

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adiprcike
By adiprcike (Aug 16, 2012)

Totally agreed.

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Mr Fartleberry
By Mr Fartleberry (Jan 31, 2012)

And I thought they were working on putting VR in the 12 year old 300mm f4.

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Thanatham Piriyakarnjanakul
By Thanatham Piriyakarnjanakul (Jan 31, 2012)

Hi, Wide angle first, please.

Hope for 4k on V2. :)

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ScottRH
By ScottRH (Jan 31, 2012)

This market will not determine its path fully until Canon enters it. until then, you may be buying a betamax.

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Thanatham Piriyakarnjanakul
By Thanatham Piriyakarnjanakul (Jan 31, 2012)

What is Canon?

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (Feb 1, 2012)

What is photography?

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

Canon has entered it with everything they've got. It's called the G1 X, BTW.

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Faintandfuzzy
By Faintandfuzzy (Jan 31, 2012)

All I want is a 50mm f1.2 for the current DSLR lineup.

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (Jan 31, 2012)

Time will show what works and what does not. I am willing to bet time will show Nikon has (once again) placed their bets on the wrong horse.

If the current BCNRanking charts in Japan are anything to go by, it shows Nikon has just effectively killed the sales of their Nikon D3100 with the V1/J1 cams... even then, their overall sales are still poor compared to their biggest competitor(s).

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Neodp
By Neodp (Feb 1, 2012)

No, the D3100 killed itself. No V1 required. The choice is between D5100, and D7000.

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YavorBerov
By YavorBerov (Jan 31, 2012)

Who cares for 1 system, where is D series?

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Jan 31, 2012)

Okay Mr. Yamamoto, that's fine, but what the 1-series REALLY needs--better access to common shooting parameters like ISO and image quality-size. Thus:

*Bring over the "i-INFO" and 4-way/OK method from the D40-D5100 series of cameras for setting image quality/size, ISO, WB, AF-area mode etc

*Add a command dial

*Make the mode dial a REAL one (P-S-A-M-AUTO-Scenes-Movies)

*Allow the option for re-mapping the red-button to, say, ISO (you could still do movies via the mode dial anyway)

*Let Fn & i/INFO function as "green dot reset" (BIG mistake losing that on the D3000 & D3100 also by the way)

Those small changes would REALLY transform the 1-series for stills-enthusiasts who also use d-SLRs.

If you REALLY intend for the 1-series to be for enthusiasts like me who want a d-SLR-like experience in a smaller package, then please--quick access to common parameters. We're not all soccer moms & dads here, you know (no offense meant to those who are, seriously).

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eyewundr
By eyewundr (Jan 31, 2012)

I suspect the 1 System will have a short shelf life.

Nikon adapted their dominance in auto exposure that NAILs it every time, and fast auto-focus, to a wonderfully compact camera.
That gives them a huge advantage over competitors.

Nikon's marketing campaign before Christmas was excellent. Together with that and Nikon's excellent brand prestige and brand loyalty the 1 System should sell well and profitably for Nikon.

But I anticipate that mirrorless cameras with APS-C sized sensors will offer considerably greater overall value.
Fuji is already there with the X Pro 1.
Canon's G1 X, while not interchangeable lens, perhaps implies a near future mirrorless Rebel class camera, with access to a a huge range of truly fast lenses.

1 System is definitely a top choice in small footprint interchangeable lens cameras today.
But Nikon will really have to work hard to hold that edge over coming much larger sensor mirrorless cameras.

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Najinsky
By Najinsky (Jan 31, 2012)

I find the Nikon 1 system quite exciting. The current models (J1/V1) don't do it for me, but the sensor development is interesting.

For a pocketable walk-around I've previously used Ricoh and Panasonic/Leica enthusiast compacts with ~1/1.7" sensors and fast glass. These worked well to a point, but the limits of their small sensors often frustrate on challenging shots.

Nikons new sensor format is a great size for a new enthusiast compact with fast glass and a decent zoom. Taking out the mount will allow a smaller package and give Nikon a more compact competitor to Canons new G1X.

So J1/V1 is not for me, but that's no reason to beat it up. Yamamoto said: 'we were very confident that there were customers out there who would gravitate towards the V1 and the J1', and kudos to Nikon for recognising it and going for it. I know several P&S users who have moved up to it and really love it. Also, the camera scores well here in DPRs User Review section (V1 mostly). No need to P in their soup!

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (Jan 31, 2012)

It's always the same story in these comments. All the complaining about shallow DoF and what-not. People, nothing can do everything. Other people are not you. Different wishes, different needs. There are positives, there are negatives, Boo-hoo! Please just take the damn thing for what it is and agree or move on.

Fast lenses are fast lenses. If it is background separation you want, get a long one. Or here is an idea, NOT THE NIKON 1.

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Neodp
By Neodp (Feb 1, 2012)

I agree, but why not make better cameras? Many things can be combined, even though nothings perfect; that's obvious. Many things are combined, on the X-pro 1. Are they not? Point made. Nikon, and Canon are caught sleeping, this round.

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (Feb 1, 2012)

Many things are combined on the X-Pro1? It seems you didn't really get what i was saying. Does the X-Pro1 have phase detect AF, does it have a full frame sensor, does it have fish-eye, tilt-shift, superwide, tele lenses ? Can a beginner use it ? Is there a large DoF at basically every aperture ? Does it come in pink ? Is it compatible with a 60MP digital back ? And it better take my new XQD cards.

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PatrickP
By PatrickP (Jan 31, 2012)

Mr.Yamamoto, I wish nikon can make the FT1 to work with AF-C mode. giving us the ability to use all our long lenses with Nikon 1, with AF-S and VR support, but with continous AF not being supported is quite strange I have to say.

I would not mind even if the AF-C support are restricted to lenses with constant f/4 or constant f/2.8 and brighter.

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Jan 31, 2012)

u4/3 has a F.95 lens, can you mr Yamamoto promise the same?

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

No -- or whatever "no" is in Japanese.

But hey, they have a 10-100mm 1 Series zoom with F4.5-5.6, would that work for you, too?

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justmeMN
By justmeMN (Jan 31, 2012)

Yup Yamamoto, the "point-and-shoot customer" wants "blurry images in low light". I don't think so. A "purely automatic" system that picks the wrong settings is a Bad Thing.

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Rick Knepper
By Rick Knepper (Jan 31, 2012)

Dear Mr, Yamamoto, enough about toy cameras, where in the heck is the D800? And, people interested in this camera who "want a DSLR without the weight" are confused puppies because the J1 and V1 are not DSLRs. Most people willing to deal with interchangeable lenses can deal with a few more grams of weight. Once the "new" has worn off tiny IL systems, folks will refocus on DSLRs (unless you can stick an APS-C or FF chip in these things ie the flight back to quality). Oh and by the way, if you are concerned about weight, do something about the ridiculous weight of your Pro DSLRs and lenses.

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Michael Long
By Michael Long (Jan 31, 2012)

"Oh and by the way, if you are concerned about weight, do something about the ridiculous weight of your Pro DSLRs and lenses."

Pro gear is pro gear. You don't put the amount of glass needed for a FF 300/2.8 into a plastic tube, and expect it to remain optically rigid and stable, nor do you bolt the result onto a plastic camera and expect it to hold up under day-in-and-day-out abuse.

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Rick Knepper
By Rick Knepper (Jan 31, 2012)

Are you just running your mouth because you can? Who said anything about a specific lens but if you would like to produce your your lens making credentials, I'd love to see them. You obviously have limited experience with other brands, companies who manage to produce FF f2.8 lenses that are much lighter.

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Neodp
By Neodp (Feb 1, 2012)

I agree with most of that, accept I want the smallest camera, that doesn't take a dive in image quality (and overall balance). So, make no small camera before it's time. Right now, that is APS-C. Later, it will be passable, in 3/4rds, but then APS-C will still be potentially better, all things being equal (and they never are). Since we see small cameras, with APS-C, what's the problem? History will show the V1/J1 to be the first crappy versions, no doubt. The problem is, Nikon invested in the wrong sensor. Who do you think pays for those losses?

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aroundomaha
By aroundomaha (Jan 31, 2012)

Did he pinky swear on it? :)

Too late, after a decade of all things Nikon I've pretty much dumped them for alternatives that better suit my needs.

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Ibida Bab
By Ibida Bab (Jan 31, 2012)

Which translates to: you just bought a camera with mediocre performance and subpar lenses. Nice...

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Jan 31, 2012)

I thought Sony many the same promise a while back. I wonder if he is running for re-election.

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001FJ
By 001FJ (Jan 31, 2012)

This comes from a Nikon user and fan: I don't care. Make a decent camera with a large (preferably full size) sensor then I will be listening. Sorry, but it's just my personal opinion. I don't care about how much technology Nikon can squeeze in a camera; I care about the image quality and 1 Series is all about software technology rather than good hardware.

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AnHund
By AnHund (Jan 31, 2012)

You obviously haven't tried it.

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001FJ
By 001FJ (Jan 31, 2012)

I've seen samples. Just recently someone posted samples taken by the 1 Series, and I was very, very impressed by the first image most of all. And it turned out the first image was taken by the D700, while the rest were taken by the 1 Series.

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daniel broad
By daniel broad (Jan 31, 2012)

...nikon do make a camera with a full size sensor. In fact, up until the D700 was discontinued, they made two. When the D800 is released, they'll make two again.

D700 and Nikon 1 owner here, so unlike most of the anonymous commentary and armchair speculators, I put my money where my mouth is. It's a great little camera, built for speed not comfort.

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Clayton1985
By Clayton1985 (Feb 1, 2012)

If you care about Image Quality then you have more options than you can stand. What are you waiting for? You want a decent camera with a large sensor then buy a D4. My guess is that you meant to say that size of the system is important.... therein lies the challenge and Nikon has done something to solve this while others attempt to work around it. They will soon enough have to face the issue.

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steveh0607
By steveh0607 (Jan 31, 2012)

This sounds like the 1 system is test run for something else. Hopefully a small street camera that can be customized is on the back burner.

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thx1138
By thx1138 (Jan 31, 2012)

To make any impact these new lenses will need to 2 stops faster across the entire FL range than the current rubbish. We currently have shallowest DOF of ~ f/10 FF equivalent. So even 2 stops will still leave us f/5 FF equivalent, but that's not too bad. I'd hope they release a prime or two that are 3 stops faster too.

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john
By john (Jan 31, 2012)

but the sensor are horrible tiny, under the great big sun, it should be fine, however, how many times you will see great light source with your photos? most of them are shoot under poor dim light situration, and the images will endup very noisy.

with the same price I can get a d3100 with a great lens like 35mm f1.8, and I can use any standard flash on the camera

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topstuff
By topstuff (Jan 31, 2012)

That is simply not true. You are wrong my friend.

Look here - J1 pictures taken in a dark jazz club. Too noisy? I don't think so..

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1058&thread=40440657

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Jan 31, 2012)

They look fine as is, but the displayed size is barely enough to print a 3X4" at 300 dpi and black hair already looks smeared due to heavy shadow NR.

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topstuff
By topstuff (Jan 31, 2012)

Perfectly acceptable IMO unless you are pixel peeping.

This is all about context. If you are taking a small, light camera with a lens equivalent to 300mm that is only a few cm long, you accept some compromises.

Sure, you could take a Phase One MF camera into the club, but then you would'nt enjoy yourself and you'd be the "guy with the BIG camera". Most people do not want that.

ALL cameras are compromises. But given the balance required between AF speed / Small size / Accurate Exposure / ISO performance/ IQ, Nikon 1 offers a good compromise for many people. Probably a better compromise than most cameras on the market for similar money.

I'm not saying its perfect, no camera is. Nikon made mistakes in the design of the camera buttons and some mistakes with functionality.

But it does seem that owners of the 1 are genuinely thrilled with them. There seems to be little buyers remorse. Respected pros like Thom Hogan echo this view. They like the 1 much more than they expected to.

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rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (Jan 31, 2012)

My experience as well, 1600 ISO gives very good results in poor artificial lighting, enough for good Q printing at 10x8" or even larger. Noise characteristic is also nice, grain-like. Of course, no D7000's performance there, but given that this camera can be carried along very easily, it's a nice compromise.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Jan 31, 2012)

@ topstuff:
Like I said, these would barely print 3x4" at the displayed size, so to get any idea how they would look at a more normal size, pixelpeeping reveals some more truths. And the examples shown highlight exactly one of the main weakness, relatively high shadows noise. Which is countered by high shadow NR. Not always an issue, but for hair such as here, I find the local smearing distracting.

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JacquesBalthazar
By JacquesBalthazar (Jan 31, 2012)

Frankly, even 3200 ISO is very useable with Nikon 1, depending on surface of shadows. 1600 is "business as usual". I am one of those who are thrilled indoors and outdoors with the J1, for stills and HD video.

Pixel peeping is a curse. For any "normal" sharing, be it on line or A3 print (A2?), the Nikon 1 quality is plenty good enough. Maybe not at 3200 ISO for full pages in Vogue, but come on, is that what we "need"?

I am the lucky owner of a Leica M9 and top M lenses, and love that, but, in all honesty, the speed, size, weight, fun factor and combination of features of the J1 (incl HD video!) are pushing the M to the cupboard.

I leave home with 10mm on J1, in right jacket pocket, and a mini but great ultrasonic VR 30-110mm in left jacket pocket, and am covered for all opportunities I am likely to encounter.

Simple, clean, efficient and FUN.

Yamamoto's interview shows an exciting future as well. A small f1.4 30mm (85mm eq) or so is all I miss right now. For the mushy backgrounds.

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Bangers and Mash
By Bangers and Mash (Jan 31, 2012)

I understand your way of thinking, but we have to learn to move on from that 'old school' train of thought regarding 'bigger sensor, better picture'. This is brand new technology. I can only imagine what the future holds for this new concept. Embrace it my friend. The first computer took up the space of a huge room. Now look how small they are.

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AnHund
By AnHund (Jan 31, 2012)

Sensor is on par or better than Pen 4/3. Beats any PEN in high ISO performance.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Jan 31, 2012)

But sensors alone don't make a low light camera. Even when mounted with the fastest native lens (10mm F2.8), it's still a stop or more behind an Oly mounted with a native F1.7 or F1.4 lens (let alone F0.95).

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

@ john: There is nothing "horribly tiny" about a 1-inch sensor, Sir. Now, a 1/4-inch or 1/3-inch sensor can indeed be considered tiny, maybe even horrible. Just not a healthy 1-inch diagonal size sensor.

Why, will you really be opening up your camera's guts all the time and measure the sensor size inside? Or just take photos and video with it instead?

I swear, people will complain about anything and everything.

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Dave Lively
By Dave Lively (Jan 31, 2012)

“we are considering further reductions in size even for [our DSLR] camera”

I am hoping this means an F mount mirrorless body with a DX sensor.
The theory for mirrorless cameras is that for a given sensor size they can be thinner, shorter, narrower, lighter and less expensive to manufacture. In that list of advantages only “thinner” requires a new mount. With the kit zoom normally sold with an entry level camera any DX sensor mirrorless camera is going to be pretty deep.

With the on chip PDAF auto focus system Nikon has I would still get fast autofocus with existing lenses, at least in good light. I really like the idea of a silent electronic shutter option too.

Such a camera that would not require me to support 2 separate camera systems, could act as a second body when I am traveling heavy with my SLR, have a complete array of lens available the day it was introduced and would be fully compatible with my flash and other accessories.

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Dafffid
By Dafffid (Jan 31, 2012)

He says totally automatic AUTO-ISO makes sense for the target market, and I can see that, but only if you've got your flow-charts right in the first place. How many years will it take for major manufacturers to learn that which millions of users understood on day 1? Subjects sometimes move - durr.
The staggering improvement in quality at higher ISOs in recent years seems to have gone unnoticed by the guy typing in the AUTO ISO code. It would have cost them zero to get this right, it's a basic coding error and could be fixed with a firmware update right now.

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rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (Jan 31, 2012)

Agree, if they want auto ISO w/o options, they should have fixed lowest SS at 1/60 or at most 1/30s. That said, it's amazing how one can shoot at 1/8s with the V1 and get very sharp images. Even my wife has done it.

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CriticalI
By CriticalI (Jan 31, 2012)

Fir static subjects, auto ISO works fine with the VR system. For moving subjects there is S mode. I don't think most consumers are that dumb they can't figure that out a lot more easily than they can figure out how to customise their auto-ISO options.

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Clayton1985
By Clayton1985 (Feb 1, 2012)

I think it was obvious that they are aware of the autoISO issue which hopefully means a firmware fix.

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fberns
By fberns (Jan 31, 2012)

Faster lenses! Very good news!
And please Nikon, make future lenses small enough or/and add pancakes to the lineup, otherwise you just loose the size advantage of the your small sensor & body!

Because people will just accept a camera with a smaller sensor if the whole package [camera & lens] is also smaller than comparable MFT & APS-C products.

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rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (Jan 31, 2012)

I had hoped the midrange zoom would have been at least f/2.8 or, if variable, to start at f/2 and end at f/4. That would have been nice. For primes, there are patents for a very fast 85mm equiv (f/1.2). Hope they do it soon. And a nice UWA zoom as well.

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spidercrown
By spidercrown (Jan 31, 2012)

I quite like their approach in offering the features. One by one, with proper optimization, instead of throw in junk of features confusing the users.

I see this approach work on a*ple, hope it work for nikon too.

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