RFC: Beating Photoshop's Rent Forever Cloud Trap

Developing a Good Photography Workflow for Enthusiasts & Artists
( Archival | Fast | High Quality | Powerful | w/o monthly payments )

Status Table

Quality  I am in the middle of a major rewrite. Some consistency will be observed. Shall be completed by Sunday.
Working  I am now rewriting Page 5 and changing Page 1, both as per Durk's comment
Feedback Will be included once a week
Next Update Look for a new Article in this series by the end of every week. They will be linked in the Table of Content on Page 3
 

Motivation and Introduction

After the new License policy of Adobe came out beginning of May 2013, it was clear to me that I needed to make changes to my workflow. But I was not sure how. Should I change immediately to other SW packages and if so which ones ? If I change now, what would be the consequences ? How much would I loose ? Is there a smarter way to improve ? How can I solve the problem that I am completely locked into Adobe Apps with no freedom to change to other Apps without loosing all my work ? How can I keep using my Adobe CS in the future w/o the Cloud even in the case that I get a new Camera with a new RAW format that only is supported in the Creative Cloud version?  What do I need to do to protect myself to not be sucked into the cloud? The deeper I dug the more questions and problems surfaced. When discussing my questions with others I found out that many have the same concern and are doing the same research, everyone for himself. This Article is an attempt to compile what I learned in the comments and discussion on dpReview and to hopefully save some research work for others and with a bit of luck offer ready made solutions. This Article is RFC ( Request for Comment ) in a Rolling format. So please do leave comments. I will reply to each and if the comment includes valuable information I will add it to the Article for the benefit of all readers. My thanks goes to all who encouraged me and provided me with research materials and ideas.

Who is this Article for

This Article is for Photographers for which Photoshop is an integral part of their Workflow and who do prefer to spend cash on say a new Camera, Lens, Printer or something like that instead of giving it away for something they thought they already had paid for: Access to their own pictures.

Overview

Page 1: Adobe increases ( Fear | Uncertainty | Doubt | Expense | Risk )
           for Enthusiasts using Photoshop
 

Before May 2013: Photographers feel save & certain to use Photoshop

Photoshop was THE tool for the Enthusiast and Fine Art Photographer. There was no competitor if you were serious about your photography. Documentation about how to use this tool was abundant no matter how specific your needs have been. It simply worked. If you could imagine how your photo should look, you could photoshop it that way. The fact that photoshopping an image became a verb too just shows how ubiquitous Photoshop was. I used Photoshop since 1994 ( Photoshop 3, not CS 3 ). All my photography bodies use it too. Personally I invested thousands of USD into the product and almost as much into training Material. And I was sure this is the right thing to do. I was so sure of the product, that I even converted many others to Photoshop and Lightroom in this time. 

Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt created by Adobe about Photoshop CS & LR

http://www.whattheduck.net expressed with humor the fear of many photographers about switching to Adobe Photoshop Cloud

Adobe's new License Scheme for Next Generation Photoshop Generation ( Cloud )

Beginning of May Adobe changed its License Scheme for almost all its Products. Of most interest to Photographers was Adobe Photoshop CS. In the past all products were available as Perpetual License. That means after you install the SW you can use it for as long as it technically works and as long as you want. The new Version of Photoshop will only be available as Cloud Version for 20 USD / month. 

Photoshop CC: increased ( Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt, Expense, Risk, Anger ) FUD Creative 2

          Increased Fear

  • Say I continue using Photoshop. Later I get a new Camera with new RAW file format and then I am pushed into the Cloud only to be able to use the RAW files from my Camera. Then I will have monthly 20 USD cost. Once there is a financial downturn, I loose access to ( all my images | my memories | my hobby or work ).
  • Lets think longer term. Say I get hooked to Adobe Photoshop CC. Say for years life is great and there is no problem of my Cloud Copy to call Adobe every month and renew my license. And what if Adobe folds ? Then I loose all my memories and work. If you think ridiculous, think again and consider Kodak. They were the biggest photography company in the world. Bankrupt today. Ever tried recently to see a photo on a Kodak Photo Disc ? It was a golden industry standard for years. Now almost impossible to get access to your images on that Disc.
  • Fear of being reduced to a cash cow of Adobe. I just upgraded in April to CS 6 after being happy with CS 2 for 8 years. All in all there only have been two features which made it worth for me: 1) High Dynamic Range Photo Merge and Panorama Photo Merge. All other features I did not cared as a photographer. I feel that in terms of Features for Photographers there has not been much innovation going on with Photoshop which would give me a return of investment on upgrading each release. Once I would join the Adobe Cloud I have to pay every month just to access my work. Even if they never ever add a single feature for photographers, I still have to give them money every month. This fact alone has turned myself from an Adobe Evangelist who was converting others to use Adobe Products to an Advocate of cultivating alternatives and changing my workflow and the workflow of my friends to one that is no longer locked into Adobe Proprietary File Formats. And as a Photographer I am encouraging anybody to not subscribe to the Cloud, as this is removing the incentive of Adobe to improve Photoshop for Photographers.

          Increased Uncertainty

  • Adobe Marketing indicated that future RAW formats will be included only in future ACR ( Adobe Camera RAW ) and those will only be available as CC, that means for monthly subscription. Say I have a new camera with new RAW format, I would be forced to subscribe to CC. Since Photoshop CC is out of my budget I might be forced to change from Adobe Photoshop to something else, which possibly can not open all my files in Adobe proprietary format. So the longer I keep working with Adobe Products the same was as I was doing until now, the deeper I dig myself into dependency and the harder it is to get out of it later when I have no choice but to change.
  • Now that all these bad things happen to PS, what about LR in the Future ? Will they pull Lightroom too into the Cloud ? Available only against monthly payments ? 
  • Will future Lightroom Version be improved when buying the perpetual License. The Adobe answers are supper wishy washy that certain features will only be available in the Cloud. But maybe as a Cloud feature but not part of the Creative Cloud. Can this be any more uncertain. If I know there is a clouded future for Lightroom, I will jump ship today. The uncertainty of not knowing for sure might still make me jump ship for Lightroom too.

          Increased Doubt

  • Today all my Photos are in Adobe Proprietary File Formats. For 19 years I never had a problem with that. In May 2013 Adobe yanked up my future costs to stay in the Adobe Photography System by 320 %. With no alternatives. A company which can do that one time, can do this another time again. Personally, I lost my trust in Adobe to keep my Photography Workflow as is. 
  • Loosing Trust in Adobe because I could not understand their thinking: After the new License Policy came out it simply made me feel angry and betrayed  I could not even exactly put my finger on it, but I was upset for sure. The dpReview community felt the same. Since reading dpReview I never ever saw a response to a product announcement of 7000+ comments, of which according to dpReview poll 95% are negative. And the interview with Adobe Marketing Manager did not helped me to regain trust. His response that they expected a worse response from the Enthusiast Photography community only confused me more. Hey, how much worse can it get ? So a company who manages to upset 96 % of Enthusiast photographers and responds with ignorance is a company which I doubt that they understand what I need in their next generations product. This convinced me that it is time to jump ship. Only question is when and how to avoid adding injury to insult.
  • First they say Photoshop Creative Suite is for Creative Professionals and Lightroom is for Photographers. Hey, I am with you. Then they renamed Lightroom into Photoshop Lightroom. Mmmh.... When challenged in an interview about the outburst of photographers  the Creative Suite VP admitted the outburst is understandable, as Photoshop CC is not for Photographer and offers little value. Go for Lightroom he said, that is for Photographers, and we just cut the price. Ah, I am on board again. Then days later, they say Camera Shake Reduction ( which is a feature for Photographers ) will only be included in Photoshop CC and not in Lightroom. Come on man! I now have enough of it! I doubt Adobe has a consistent Marketing Strategy for Photographers. This makes me doubt I want to buy their product.

          Increased Expense

  • Many Photographers do not take every update. Take me, I just upgraded from Photoshop CS 2 to 6. Cost for that is 600 USD / 8 Years = 75 USD / Year. I would not join the cloud now, so later I most likely will loose my upgrade discount and then my expenses would be 12 * 20 USD / month = 240 USD / year. That is a 320 % bump in expense.

          Increased Risk

  • Investing into a Software is always a Risk. Will it be supported in the Future ? Can it really do what I need ? As if life is not hard enough, Adobe has just added Risks:
  • Having no internet turns from an inconvenience into a thread. What if I am in a place for a longer period of time with no internet access? What if I life in a country that chooses to block a range of IP addresses which happen to include the Adobe Server ( That is my case actually. Training Videos of Adobe are blocked where I live ). Once my Photoshop CC can not contact Adobe, it will disable itself. 
  • My financial success is now coupled with my ability of accessing my files. Going through a financial downturn is already hard enough. Subscriptions such as Creative Cloud would be the first to go. It is extra frustrating that in such bad times the hobby is killed as well. Or if you are an independent Artist, when business is bad, you maybe forced to cut the one Instrument you need to make more money. It is a bad risk to enter into such an arrangement.

          Increased Anger

  • Angry about being forced: I am an enthusiast photographer and I execute my photography in my free time. The new Adobe License policy forces my into directions I do not want to go, no matter how I try to respond:
    • a) I do nothing now. Then it is clear latest when I get a new camera with a new RAW format that I need to join the cloud. At least if I want to benefit from Adobe workflow convenience, which was the key reason I went Adobe in the first place. This means I need to take 240 USD / year out of my photography budget. As it so happens I just ordered my Pentax K30 today for 550 USD. This is my second DSLR after using my Pentax *ist for 8 years. Clearly I would prefer spending this kind of money on Cameras or Lenses than on the capability to open my files, which I had before already. So doing nothing now will kill my new toy budget completely later on. This way I do not want to go.
    • b) Completely rethink my Photography workflow. I did this in 2007, 6 years ago, when I evaluated to go from Photoshop CS as my main tool to Lightroom 1. This Workflow evaluation with subsequent learning curve of the new tool took me hundreds of hours. Still then I was happy to do, as I envisioned hundreds of hours to be saved in the new streamlined workflow. Now this is different. I must rethink my workflow now to avoid being locked into the Cloud later which will be out of my budget. I am forced to spend > 100 hours to learn how to modify my workflow ( and several hours to modify the workflow ) and I will have nothing to show for it, other than to avoid being turned into a cash cow by Adobe. Being forced to do this is really upsetting me that much to change my impression of Adobe to one of my most liked companies to one of my most disliked companies.
    • c) Must go to large file formats: This is my pet thing. I hate large files. The are slow to open. They take longer time to back up. I need to buy more Hard Drives. After changing to Lightroom my file sizes of Developed files which I worked on to print as fine Art reduced from 300 MB to 10 MB. Now it seems the only way will be to use layered 16 bit TIFF file to achieve a work flow which is not locked into Adobe and which is Archival. Layered 16 bit TIFF are large and Adobe forces me to go this way I did not wanted to go. A fellow Photographer cured my resistance to TIFF this way: A 2 TB HD is way cheaper than Adobe Photoshop Cloud for one Year. True but Arrghhh!
  • Adobe makes me look like a fool. I have convinced quite a few friends and business partners to go Photoshop and now they are held hostage, thanks to my doing.

Communication between Adobe and the Enthusiast Photography Community on dpReview

Just how mad is the photography community ?

The whole thing started on May 6, 2013 when Adobe announced to kill the perpetual license for future releases of Photoshop. Within a few days about 2000 comments were made, almost none favorable. So dpReview made an interview with Adobe, which resulted in pouring gas into the fire and thus further heating the situation up even more. Next came a poll created by dpReview. Please see below the link to these three announcements:
As of this writing it is about two weeks since the first Adobe Cloud only License announcement.  There have been about 7000 comments on all 4 threads listed above. Mostly not very happy nor friendly. The poll had 6500 votes which 5 % indicate that the new License might work for them, 95 % however had a serious problem with it. I believe I am reading dpReview since a decade now, give or take. In all its time I have never seen any announcement that created 1000 comments, let alone 7000 comments. 

How much does Adobe care ?

In the Interview: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05/08/Adobe-photoshop-cc the Adobe VP of Creative Solutions of Adobe, Winston hendrickson, was asked:


Q: "Were you expecting such a negative response from the photographic community?"

A: We expected a higher degree of this type of reaction from the hobbyist photographic community because currently there's not a lot of photography-specific value in our subscription products.

Many photographers reacted to this answer in comments like this:

  1. Feeling of being ignored by Adobe, because Adobe expected a horrible response from Enthusiast Photographers and they still went ahead with the new License Model, seemingly as this customer category is not really relevant to them
  2. Adobe recognized that the Cloud Version offers a bad value for money proposition, and they still went ahead to publish this bad proposition instead of fixing it first. This was interpreted by most as sheer arrogance and ignorance towards the enthusiats potographer
  3. Many photographers got so mad, they announced publicly to stop using Adobe products just for the sake of principle
  4. Emotions were running so high that the positive fact that Adobe had cut the cost of Lightroom into half was not heard and interpreted that Winston Hendrickson was dodging the question about the price increase of Photoshop to Photographers.

Adobe's Marketing success of FUD 9.0 makes Photographers jump ship

FUD is short for: Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. It is usually a strategy of the sales force to discourage a potential customer by instilling Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt into the customers mind about the fitness of the competitors product. Never, ever have I seen this strategy applied by a company killing its own product. Let alone upgrading FUD by adding Expense , Risk and Anger. Maybe 10 years from now they will teach in Marketing seminars the History of FUD and FUD 9.0, created by Adobe. This new Marketing Strategy of Adobe was so convincing to me that I decided to stop investing into Adobe Photoshop as of right now. This is quite an achievement considering I was a Photoshop and Lightroom evangelist and have converted quite a few friends and business partners. Further more ...
  • I already planned for a 600 USD of Budget set aside to be spend about 5 years from now on whatever will be the then current Version of Photoshop CS
  • I was about to buy some training materials for my Photoshop CS 6 about HDR Merging, Panorama Stitching
  • I was so hooked, I was expecting this will continue until the day I die
Reading current comments and forums, it does not appear I am the only one. Instead of happily snapping and photoshoppin I am now researching where to go. Which SW to use next. How to change my workflow that I will never be so hooked up into one vendor again. So many others feel the same, that this might even change a bit the shape of the Photographic Industry ( -> Page 6 ).

Consequences for Photographer

My workflow is build around Photohop and Lightroom. Adobe has just killed Photoshop for me. So they have killed my Workflow too. Plus they taught me a very expensive lesson: If I were to remove now Photoshop from my workflow, I loose access to the majority of my work. This means for me not only do I have to replace Photoshop as a Tool, I need to re-design my workflow from scratch to become independent from proprietery file formats. This is not going to be easy and is the topic of the remainder of this Article. In short: My workflow has been compromised and I need to develop a new good workflow which I can trust again.
 
 

The views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions held by dpreview.com or any affiliated companies.

Comments

Total comments: 62
Wolphin
By Wolphin (10 months ago)

One company that I have found is Arcsoft. Their Photostudio has RAW capability (tested with the Nikon D7000 and D7100). It will even open PSD (but not PSB) files from CS5 and CS6! It has a decidedly photoshop feel to the interface.

They also have a Photostudio Darkroom, that I found through some links but seems to be hiding, that would replace the RAW editor to do raw development.

Both together cost under $200!

For Panoramas, I have found Microsoft ICE is fairly easy to use (and it's free).

Now; just to find a replacement for Adobe Bridge...

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

Some of the paragraphs on this page (5) would be less offputting if broken up with more paragraph breaks.

Paragraphs breaks aren't only a matter of of esthetics - they help readers to break down a huge confusing pile of data into something more readily taken in, digested, and remembered.

"How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time." Paragraph breaks, bullets, and numbers are your knives and forks for creating bite size pieces of data.

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

My only suggestion for improvement is to break up that "wall of type" first long "Motivation and Introduction" paragraph into short paragraphs and to use bulleted or numbered points exactly as you did with the subsequent material.

The biggest challenge for an author, especially one writing about a very technical subject, is to lure a prospective reader into reading the first paragraph. No matter how good the later material is, they will never see it if they bail out during the first paragraph.

You have all the data there, and your writing is clear. It is just pushed together into a huge block in a rather forbidding manner. Once one reads further, you do a fine bullet and numbered point layout, though I suggest that you put blank lines between your bulletted and numbered points.

Adobe wouldn't have so many people dependent on its software if layout didn't make a very substantial difference in attractiveness and approachability.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Update: 2013.05.18
* Created Reference Section on the Last Page and compiled a list of links to great Articles
* Updated the Navigation accordingly
* answered all comments

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Revision Change List 2013.05.17
* Completed Page 5
* Answered all Posts of today
* Changed the Title of the Article
** Suggested Name change from Community to attract more readers and contributors
* Removed the section in Page 1 that Adobe lowered cost for Creative Professionals
* Restructured Page 1 to me more legible and removed some typos and formatting problems.
* Added Chapter: "Who is this Article for"
* Added Chapter: "Adobe's Marketing success of FUDER makes Photographers jump ship"
* Added Chapter: "Consequences for Photographers"
* Renamed some Pages to better match content and updated the navigation section on all pages accordingy
* Shortened the page name in the Pull Down Page Menu
* Added Future Section to Page 6
* Adjusted all page Navigation to above change
* Changed the Status from Draft to Release Candidate

I hope you find it useful. Comments and Likes are welcome.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

I researched the whole day on a better way to write page 1 with not much success. Well, some days see less output then others. I strongly believe that one way out of the Photoshop Nightmare is to move to Lightroom. I am using Lightroom since years and I rarely make a trip to Photoshop. With the new version of Lightroom I will only have need to go to Photoshop for Panorama and HDR Photomerge. And for those functions plugins and other SW than Photoshop is available. But what shocked me today was following the comments on the Lightroom Hangout Video of today, which were basically a long list of posted mistrust to Adobe and thus no interest in Lightroom anymore. I can understand it. My first response to PS CC was that I wanted to replace Lightroom. After much more research and thinking I believe there is a way to keep Lightroom and to be sure never to get into the Cloud and worst case to switch at a later time to something else, say Capture One, without loosing an iota of work / data.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

But how to communicate it to someone who is so upset and burned. That is what I spend thinking about. I hope after some sleep tomorrow is more productive.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Catchy Title Competition,

Durk Pearson suggests to use a more catchy title to attract more readers and contributors. He suggested:

"Escaping Adobe's Photoshop Rent Forever Cloud Trap - How You Can Do It!"

I shortened this to:

Beating Photoshop's Rent Forever Cloud Trap

Would you prefer this over:

Good Photographic Workflow at no monthly cost

Cast your vote or make a better proposal!

Example from Durk: { there is a new book review here in dpreview: "Shooting in Sh*tty Light: The Top Ten Worst Photography Lighting Situations and How to Conquer Them"
Much more catchy than "Better Lighting For Beginners", which is what the review says the book is about.}

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Changes of today, 2013.05.14

* Fixed bug in comparison table page 2, thanks to feedback luigibozi
* Added more alternatives in Similar Tools Column on comparison table page 2
* Created Pages:
** Page 5: Possible Impact of Adobe's License change on Photographic Industry
** Page 6: Requests for Comments ( Please help if you know the answer )
** Page 7: FAQ & Revision History of this Article
* Added Status table. This way the new reader can quickly understand the Status of the Article
* Fixed lots of typos on the first page and tuned introduction
* Answered all Comments by 4 pm China time
* Added Chapter: "Communication between Adobe and the Enthusiast Photography Community on dpReview" on page 1.

Will continue tomorrow. Target is to redo Page 1 and to do Page 5. This will conclude the writing of this Article. Next Article is Perpetual Photoshop.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Musing Request M1:

Has Adobe rendered their own usefulness in terms of archival purposes obsolete ?

Original Question by GaryJP. Many Thanks.
When I wrote about lack of Archival Quality in my current Adobe centric workflow, it was only from my personal perspective that in case I can not / want not use Adobe SW any more, I loose all my data. I have not considered the much bigger ramifications that Gary is are suggesting. My original take was that I made mistakes in not considering the Archival qualities of the workflow. So I can make adjustments, such as convert all RAW to DNG during import. Next I can export every finished Image as non compressed TIFF. Next I can move tagging into metadata, so it is replicated in the file in a format other Asset Manager can read. But what can I do about my retouch work in Lightroom. Other tools have other features and could not digest such instructions. Would this mean retouch information can not be archival due to its nature ? What do you think ?

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Lets look at Ansel Adams Archives as example. Archived: ( Negative | Working Methodology | Artists Intent | Finished Print | Collections ). Not archived: The actual work on performing the print. If we transfer this to Lightroom it would mean we archive: ( Original exposure in an archival format | Artists Intent | Finished Picture in an Archival Format | Collections in Archival format ). The working methodology would be responsibility of the User and can be documented in writings, illustrations or movies. I think all this can be done in Lightroom. But it requires thinking the workflow through and then adhere to it with discipline. The one thing which I have no idea on how to save would be the working instructions on the edits. Maybe we can take a page from the "Perpetual Photoshop" Article and the way to go is to put the entire Lightroom installation on a Perpetual PC. So every time one wants to access how the edit is done, one can use the perpetual Lightroom System. What do you think ?

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Plain Question Request R1:

Do you know Photographic Tools which are missing in the Similar Tools Column on the Comparison Table in Page 2 ?

Please comment only on tools which you use are which capability you have seen first hand and not on information you have by hearsay. If you know of any such tool, please create a reply to this comment and post it there. I will find it and add it to the table.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (11 months ago)

Very comprehensive article in the light of current knowledge.I particularly like your point that Adobe have rendered their own usefulness for archival purposes obsolete. Thanks.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Thank you for your support and I love your feedback. When I wrote about lack of Archival Quality in current Adobe centric workflow, it was only from my personal perspective that in case I can not / want not use Adobe SW any more, I loose all my data. I have not considered the much bigger ramifications that you are suggesting. That is quite a different matter. Thanks for pointing this out. I need to think on where and how to emphasize this in the Article? Thanks so much!

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Alphatak
By Alphatak (11 months ago)

Great idea, great work. I hope your collective project will be very successful !

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Thank you for your feedback. This is motivating and I can sure use motivation. I am committed to finish this Article series and I have confidence in competence and cooperation of the dpreview community. I just received the first Article contribution.

If you like the Article or some comments, please be generous with pressing the like button. If this Article can collect enough likes it might be features on the home page of dpreview and then it is easier for others to find this information.

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Don Shreve
By Don Shreve (11 months ago)

It appears Adobe has found a way to delete page 2 of your article. It won't load.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Dear Don,
Thank you for your feedback. I am sorry you could not read page 2. I checked page 2 and it loads fine on my system. Can you try again ? In case it still does not load, can you please try:
0) At least one other Browser and one different PC to see if the problem was installation related and went away. If still the problem persists, please tell me:

1) Your OS ?
2) Your Browser
3) What is the Error Message in the Browser ?

Please let us know your results. Thank you.

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Gerard JP
By Gerard JP (11 months ago)

"Lowers cost for creative professionals"
I disagree. As a professional graphic- and web designer, the CC model raises the cost for me substantially. I'm still on CS3.3 Design Premium for two reasons:
1 - There are NO objective reasons to upgrade; there are no improvements significant enough in Illustrator, InDesign, PS, Dreamweaver, etc., for me to invest in, except - maybe - native 64 bits, which had me consider CS4, temporarily.
2 - Adobe does not allow me to upgrade from CS3 to CS6, for example, which means I would have to shell out the full price once again.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Dear Gerard,
Thank you for your feedback. When I ran an advertising agency way back, we have been on a "Every Other Release" Upgrade cycle. Not that we wanted too, we felt value for money for one Upgrde was not high enough, but Adobe's policy that you loose your Upgrade discount if you skip more than one release made Every other Release as Expensive as every 4 Releases. And being 4 Releases out of sync with other creative professionals was just too much headache due to file format incompatibilities. I think this value / upgrade is what Adobe wanted to address in the cloud. According to my calculations if you run at least 4 Applications the Cloud should be significantly lower cost than traditional perpetual license every other cycle upgraded. As an Agency today we would run ( Lightroom | Photoshop | Premiere | After Effects | Illustrator | InDesign | Acrobat ). Which Apps are you running ?

More please see next post ...

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Which Creative Suite are you running ?

I checked pricing on Adobe: http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/buying-guide.html

The Requirement for Upgrade pricing is CS3. So it seems you can benefit from the reduced price. Once we know which Apps you are using we could calculate their cost versus the years of usage and then compare with the appropriate monthly rate of the CC and see which one is lower cost.

Adobes pricing is certainly pushing towards using a lot of Adobe SW packages. In reality in our Agency people specialized. We have one guy for Photoshop, One guy for Illustrator, One guy for Layout ( We used Quark at the Time ). So maybe even for a team this is a price hike, because on each station we would only install one App and not all of them.

Another problem would be cost for contractors. Contractors we used specialized in only one or two Apps. Their cost would also go up and so would the Agencies cost.

Let me know what you think about that ?

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Last but not least, are you on any professional web sharing services, such as vimeo ? Would joining the cloud reduce your internet budget if you switched your services ?

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

When evaluating alternatives to Lightroom, be aware of proprietary file formats. For example, I have read that both Lightroom and Aperture (and definitely Mac iPhoto from OS X 10.6 on) lock your photos - RAW or JPG or TIF - into their own walled garden of a proprietary file format.

Corel's Aftershot Pro offers you a choice of their proprietary file system or a simple folders containing your image files system which you will always be able to access with anything that can read the fundamental file system of your hard disc.

I think that easy photo access by any software is best. For example, Mac OS X 10.6's iPhoto can export single pictures to another app - but I'll be darned if I can figure out how to make it export a series of 5 exposure bracketed shots to my favorite HDR program, Photomatix.

Does anyone know how to batch jailbreak all my photos from iPhoto back into simple file folders?
Sorry, I don't know about what DXO's RAW processor does with your files. Info welcome!

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

Thank you very much for your article! Your concerns are the same as mine. I, too, am an art photo enthusiast who spends more time post processing than shooting. I look forward to lots of helpful friendly collaboration!

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

Legacy software running under a legacy OS on a legacy machine:

Photoshop CS4-6 is so good that I expect it to take years for another company to create and sell (via perpetual license) something that is a worthy competitor.

Eventually, you will have to upgrade your OS and even your computer to run some new must-have software.

How can you keep your old and loved Photoshop running for the next 5 or 10 years?

You MIGHT be able to run it under an old OS version running in a VM (Virtual Machine) that runs under your newer OS, even on a newer computer. More on VMs here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine
This how Mac users run Windows.

Might? Yes - a decade might make this mighty difficult or impossible - even though I can still run MS/DOS in a VM on my Mac, it is easier for me to maintain an ancient computer that runs MS/DOS natively.

Continued below:

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

My wife is a best selling million+ copy author. She learned to use the Wordstar text editor in 1979 on a Z80 Northstar computer running under CP/M. In the early 1980s, we switched to the IBM PC-XT, and Wordstar had been converted to run under MS/DOS. My wife wants neither the features nor the complexity of MS Word. She still uses Wordstar - which hasn't been sold for at least 25 years - for a few hours per day, seven days per week, on a 1991 IBM desktop. Total maintenance required since 1991: fixing the computer's broken on/off switch. (But that computer, monitor, and printer is fed with carefully conditioned power - see below.)

You can keep your version of Photoshop (and Lightroom) running for a couple of decades or more if you pay attention to some important details:

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

1) Keep your computer insides cool! The life of many electronic parts is roughly halved for every 7 F temperature increase and roughly doubled for 7 F decrease. Do NOT expect any laptop (even the best Macbook Pro) to last 20 years. Get a BIG tower with LOTS of big fans. Get a gigantic old IBM dual XEON workstation that can run 64 bit Windows. Not all can - look up the specs on the net. Also check the memory price; different models used different chips - some are a couple of dollars a gig, and some cost 50 times as much if you can find it at all. I got mine (for legacy Windows scientific software) via eBay for $95 (warranted) plus $50 for shipping. In general, the heavier it is, the cooler it is likely to run.

For Mac guys like myself, wait until the new Mac Pros come out (probably this fall), then buy a used one with a 64 bit EFI so that it can run either 32 bit or 64 bit OS and software. Specs here:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/index-apple-specs-applespec.html

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

Any 2008 to 2010 Mac Pro will do the job. The 2008 models are cheaper because they use the older more expensive DDR2 memory chips, whereas the 2009-10 Mac Pros use the less expensive DDR3 chips. They have superb cooling and are remarkably quiet.

If your hard disc fails, you have to depend on Adobe to allow you to reactivate your perpetual license software. To minimize the need for this - if you have a Mac Pro, set it up for RAID 1 (under Disc Utility); the software is in the OS X operating system. If one disk dies, just plug in another identical replacement and the OS will rebuild it.

Want even more reliability? Buy a few new-old-stock Hitachi UltraStar 1,000,000+ MTBF workstation/server HDs via eBay. 250 GB NOS units are currently about $50 each. Get at least 3, preferably 4.

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

2) Avoid temperature variations. Cool and steady is best. Whenever almost anything warms up, it expands, then it contracts when it cools down. This can gradually thermal cycle fatigue crack parts. Don't put your computer in an unheated garage, and don't put it next to a heating or cooling vent or in a sunny window.

3) Dry! Keep the relative humidity below 40% to avoid corrosion and mold.

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

4) Power conditioning: Get a quality surge supressor powerstrip, and plug your UPS (uninterpretable power supply)/power conditioner into it. (I prefer APC units because they make a lot of military UPSs and really know how to do it the right way.) Plug as many quality surge suppressor power strips as you need into that. NEVER plug any part of your computer system into a physically separated outlet - this can cause a ground loop that can kill your equipment with an EMP surge from a nearby lightning bolt. I've had lightning hit the power line to my house three times, between 100 feet and 100 yards away. I've lost many light bulbs - but my computer system didn't even hiccup.
Ground loop:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_loop_electricity

I'm a retired aerospace physicist, and some of my babies are still operating after 30 years over a light hour out from earth. Others have survived massive solar flares. I know how to make computers survive for a long long time.

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

Hook up your legacy computer and your current computer to a KVM (keyboard, video, mouse/trackball) switch and connect that to your keyboard, monitor, and mouse. At the touch of two buttons (old computer power switch and the KVM computer selector switch), you can have your legacy Adobe Photoshop, Lightroom, and anything else that you want literally at your fingertips for years to come - including a 30 year old copy of Wordstar!

Hurray for freedom of choice - whether Adobe planned it that way or not.

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

More on avoiding ground loops via single point grounding so that lightning doesn't fry your system someday:
http://www.lightningmaster.com/Articles/ArticleID/26/ArtMID/559

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Dear Durk,

Thanks so much for your very detailed contribution. You basically wrote half of the Article on how to keep your Photoshop CS alive for the next 10 years. I particularly love your example on Wordstar! This takes me back. I was using a Z80 4 MHz Machine and I developed a 512 MB RAM Disk. So in the morning I booted the entire CPM 3.0 into RAM Disk and used Wordstar for writing. For about a decade this system was way faster on 100 page documents than any WYSIWYG on Atari or Mac.

I will create the new Article and move your contribution to it today. But it will take a day or so from dpreview to approve publication of it until you can see it. So please be patient. I will reword and restructure a bit in case it is needed, I hope you are OK with it. Once you see my edits on your text, let me know how you like it or if there are any changes you wish me to do.

Thanks so much for this contribution! If now anybody could write instructions on VM would be great :-)

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

@ Considering File Formats when evaluating RAW converter
@ Durk

I fully agree. I will work on a very detailed evaluation on Lightroom on how to configure it to be not locked in ( I am pretty sure it is possible, and if not I will find a RAW converter that can ). I will not be able to do this for all RAW converter, but I will try to do the next best thing is to work with the community to develop a standard on how to evaluate RAW converters, and then different authors could contribute their evaluations and thanks to the evaluation standards they are comparable and we can create a comparison table of features of all RAW converters ( I think this table is sorely missing in this industry ). Let me know what you think on this proceeding ?

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

Dear HubertChen,
I'm honored and delighted! Please feel free to make any edits you like and include it in the article. I think that a lot of people will find out that the world doesn't have to end with the wildly unwelcome onslaught of CC.

After my Northstar CP/M system, I built a similar system to yours way back when. I had 2 each 2.5 MB memory boards in an IBM-PC that I used as a ramdisk and a script program to move command.com, path, and all the Wordstar files, including the spell check dictionary, to the ramdisk when I called up Wordstar. Then I got a piggyback board with a 12.5 Mhz 80286 to replace the 4.77 Mhz. 8088. Deliciously fast!

I eventually found out that OS X had a heart of Free BSD UNIX; since I had helped to put UNIX on the IBM PC-XT for controlling refineries, steel mills, etc., a Mac Mini became irresistible. Of course, I soon escalated my fix to a dual G5 PowerMac. I'm hooked on Photoshop, too, but Adobe will never pry Photoshop out of my hot pizza greased hands.

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

Yes, I'd love to see a RAW converter table. One thing that is rarely mentioned is whether one is locked into some sort of proprietary file format.

Also useful would be several links to other comparative reviews.
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8219582047/raw-converter-showdown-capture-one-pro-7-dxo-optics-pro-8-and-lightroom-4

http://corrosphotoblog.blogspot.com/2012/03/raw-converter-comparison.html

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/round-ups/539245/raw-conversion-software-software-choice

Good review of Aftershot Pro:
http://photo.it-enquirer.com/2012/01/review-corel-aftershot-pro/

There is lots out there.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Hi Durk,

thanks for your kind reply, your kind allowance to do edits your writing and your delicious anecdotes! 5 MB on 12.5 MHz CP/M system. Wow. That must be the fastest CP/M system I know off. And I bet we are freaking people out here. Heck, my first PC had a 980 kHz CPU :-) If nothing goes wrong your Article should be visible in 2 days or so. See you around :-)

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

That 12.5 Mhz 80286 with a 5 MB ramdisk was in my souped up mid '80s IBM-PC.

Between my original Northstar 4 Mhz Z80 system and the IBM-PC and PCXT, I got Northstar's last and greatest system. It had two 8 MHz Z80 processors, one for running apps, the other running a minicomputer inspired disk caching system. It had 2 MB RAM for the 10 MB hard disk cache, and it read entire cylinders off the HD, starting at any arbitrary point regardless of rotation, and manipulated RAM memory pointers so that it looked to the app like everything was arranged in the right order in RAM at all times. Moving a few RAM address pointers was far faster than rearranging the data in RAM or waiting for the HD to rotate to the right location before reading or writing. It had an 8" floppy for loading the HD. Wonderful design and OMG fast.

I was very disappointed with the original speed of the IBM-PC and IBM-PCXT until I hotrodded them with ramdisks and, when they became available, with the 80286 piggyback.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Oh man, I love to reminisce. Especially your system was so cool. However, I like to keep the signal to noise ratio in these comments high for the benefit of the reader who come here to talk about photography workflow and thus I like to move out any conversations that do not belong here ( no matter how cool ). I did send you a personal message including my personal skype account. I love to stay in touch with you, just in the appropriate place.

Thanks so much again for your contribution and triggering very lovely and fond memories :-)

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

HubertChen, you might consider revamping your article's title. An awful lot of people are worried sick about Adobe's new no perpetual license policy and don't want to be trapped in their pay forever Cloud, but the "Workflow" title doesn't immediately catch the eyes of those myriad worriers. Yes, it sure is a workflow problem, but a catchy title catches a lot more readers.

Perhaps something more like:
"Escaping Adobe's Photoshop Rent Forever Cloud Trap - How You Can Do It!"

For example, there is a new book review here in dpreview: "Shooting in Sh*tty Light: The Top Ten Worst Photography Lighting Situations and How to Conquer Them"
Much more catchy than "Better Lighting For Beginners", which is what the review says the book is about.

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

Thanks! I understand the signal to noise ratio problem! No problem with your removing the greybeard geek stuff; its getting late and I'm wandering off course.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

@ Catchy Title / Durk

I agree a good title is important. I raised your idea to the top comment, have a look. Get your friends to have a look to and cast your vote :-). I hope you saw that in my version of the title is included ... w/o monthly cost, to address the key worry. However the access time bomb is actually not mentioned, and the longer I think about it your term Cloud Trap expresses this better. Especially the emotion of many photographer to feel trapped by Adobe. Mmhh, the longer I think about your title proposal the more I warm up to it. :-) Look at the posting above what you think of my tuning. Since there is a trap, how about beating it ? ( I hope this is the right term, I am not a native speaker ).

Man, I am really warming up to it. I did not liked the first page, so defensive. If we start with your title idea of beating the trap, we turn around the first page from defense to turnabout. Ha, I start to love it!!

And thanks for your understanding on the SNR.

See you.

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

Dear HubertChen,
"Beating Photoshop's Rent Forever Cloud Trap" is excellent! That is correct colloquial English, and it is concise, catchy, and packs a strong emotional punch. That title is precisely on target for what is causing the very understandable outrage over Adobe's wretched new policy.

I have written an additional short section for you to add just below the section mentioning the 2008-2010 Mac Pro and Hitachi UltraStar 1,000,000 hour MTBF drive option:

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

Are you a Mac user but don't want to pay $500 to $900 for a 2008 Mac Pro with adequate memory? Or want something smaller? No problem!

The aluminum Unibody Core 2 Duo mid 2010 Mac Minis run barely warm to the touch. I bought mine used several months ago for $365 via eBay. Unlike the earlier polycarbonate body Mac Minis, RAM upgrades are easy, cheap, and quick with no tools needed:
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/Apple_Mac_mini/DDR3

My 8 GB upgrade cost $80, and you can upgrade to 16 GB for $150.

Hint: The aluminum Unibody Mac Minis draw in their cooling air along the bottom edges; if you set it on a block about an inch high and an inch narrower in size, it will run even cooler and inhale less dust from your desktop.

OS X Snow Leopard will run on this machine and boots by default into 32 bit mode (which can address only 4 GB RAM). This is right for Mac CS4 apps. For 64 bit goodness with CS5 and CS6, hold down the 6 and 4 keys during booting and you will have a 64 bit OS.

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

2010 Mac Minis came with OS X Snow Leopard 10.6.x but some have subsequently had a later OS X version installed. I don't know whether CS4, CS5, CS5.5, and CS6 work well with Lion 10.7.x and Mountain Lion 10.8.x Info from dpreview readers is requested!

Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.8 is still the most popular Mac OS, and the disc is still available from Apple for $19.95 :
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC573Z/A/mac-os-x-106-snow-leopard

You can then get a free online upgrade to the latest 10.6.8 Snow Leopard version from Apple. Get that upgrade! It corrects serious security flaws in Adobe's Flash and in JAVA.

You can run your CS perpetual licenses forever!

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Hi Durk,

Thanks for the feedback and the new section. It comes at a good timing. I see the value ( and I hope other do too ) of giving hands on tutorial information on how to setup the PC HW for a perpetual Photoshop Machine. I will restructure the entire Article to give it dedicated pages. There is a chance this section will grow substantially, simply because there is so much different HW out there. To answer your question, I was a MacAddict and Mac Evangelist for almost two decades. We developed Macintosh graphics cards for Nubus Macs, PCI Macs and CardBus Macs and we developed ERP Systems on FileMaker. At one point in time our graphics cards very more popular in center of Europe than ATI, according to IDG. Very sadly Apple forced us out. We started developing for Windows on 2001, all on Macs ( now there is an irony ). The Marketing and Design team including me still used Macs until 2010. Today we are Windows only with one exception.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

I personally switched to Windows February 2011. I know Mac very intimately from perspective of ( Product Marketing | Power User | Apple Hardware Developer ). Until beginning of 2011. Since then I am on Window 7. First it was worse than cold Turkey, more like freezing. 2 1/2 years later I am finally getting comfortable and there are things I distinctly love. E.g. Windows supports Hot-plug and graceful removal of Graphics cards. ( Do this on a Mac and you crash the OS ). Being a manufacturer of PCIe Expansion boxes which are mostly used with 3D graphics cards this is a very big deal. ( Oh, in case you run Adobe Premiere on an iMac, we have many customers who use our PCIe Expansion Box to plug in a GTX660 and use it to accelerate Premiere, the result is mind blowing, cudos to Adobe. Of course you can run games too ;-) ). Personally, I now think custom build wintel systems would be great for photographers. If only I could buy a Mac Mini type PC, but with more expansion capability.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Since my background is Mac, but my current personal experience is Win only, please be so kind and point out anything that is not right to Mac People in my writing.

About building Systems for Long time use:
I have lots of experience doing it. I can tell you that we run iMacs in the office very successfully as long therm systems and we have build some PC for industrial application with reliability as design target. Also ESD and Surge Protection is one of my special interests. I like to give this topic a place which has a longer longevity than just beating the Adobe Cloud trap. I like to find a place, that this could be an ongoing project for decades, which once in a while is updated with latest HW changes.

Considering Lightroom Perpetual,
Can you do me a favor and read up on my Musings M1. Either top of the comments or Page 6: RFC. Now that I am re-designing my workflow from scratch, I want to design it from ground up to archive anything, no matter what happens.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Perpetual Lightroom continued ...
The new Workflow seems to be able to Archive everything in a manner that I can port my data from Lightroom to whatever, without loosing my work, except for Lightroom retouch history. I wonder if this ever could be archived other than building a Perpetual System, same style as the Perpetual Photoshop System you described. And actually this type of problem and solution applies to many other areas, which we never addressed cleanly in our office:
* Illustrations
* PCB Schematics & Layouts
* Mechanical CAD
I think this idea of a perpetual system to archive your work is a great methodology addressing a far bigger problem than just Photoshop legacy. Let me know what you think. If you agree I may give an entire Article to something like Perpetual System Archiving. And you are welcome to find a more catchy title, he he.

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

I love your idea of perpetual system archiving. The problem goes way beyond Adobe's CC rent only and be trapped decision.

One of the most famous sayings of the 20th century wasn't made by a politician - it came from Mr. Spock on the Star Ship Enterprise. (Indeed, Star Treck was so popular that one of the Space Shuttles was named the Enterprise.):
"Live long and prosper!"

"Live long and prosper - a practical guide to digital immortality"
Subtitle:
"Keep your life's work working for all your life!"

Just off the top of my head. Archiving sounds dry and dusty - like keeping 50 year old newspapers no one will ever read again. This isn't static preservation; its about being able to jump back into any work you have ever done and extend it any time you wish - for the rest of your life. For many types of work, whats the point? For fine art photography, potentially unlimited creative continuity is a worthy goal.

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

I've read that Leonardo Divinci worked for decades on his Mona Lisa.

I would be heartbroken if I knew that all my past work was dead and frozen. I'll never revisit most of it, but I'd feel sad to have to choose to abandon all of it forever. Too damn much like dying.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

All right, you are on. We will do this. I also like your more catchy title. ( and I love Startrek ). I spend all days in meetings. I cleared my calendar for the next 4 weeks to have 4 ... 6 hours time every day on this Article series. ( That is if no emergency in the company is popping up ). Please check your dpreview message. There is something I like to talk with you if possible via voice. Which country are you in ( time zone | culture ) ? Do you use Lightroom ?

About revising past work. I agree, most if my work I do not revisit, but some I do. And if I do I need all of it. If can not get to it, I need to redo it. And somehow this is very upsetting me. I left a huge amount of Artwork and Illustrations behind, when changing from Mac to Windows. They were made in Omnigraffle ( we preferred it so much over Illustrator for technical Illustrations ). Even until today I am crippled when I have to Illustrate my writings. What took half hour with my Library, takes a day now starting ....

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

... from scratch. I think I will implement this perpetual workstation idea and rebuild my Mac environment for the go back to projects. I already had a company meeting with the chiefs. We all agree this is a working methodology we will be using from now on. Every 10 years or so in a certain Area we have to do a technology shift and old work falls of the Grid. Using Time Capsule PCs we can keep it accessible. We even started a project for such PCs ( Over Cooled, Under clocked, over designed power supplies, tiny and quiet, stack able ).

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

"Over Cooled, Under clocked, over designed power supplies, tiny and quiet, stack able."

I like that a LOT. Although "tiny" can be a difficult fit with the others, it can be done, as exemplified by the Mac Mini. My 2.4 Ghz Core 2 Duo 2010 Mac Mini wasn't the fastest model available. The extra cost for the faster version was trivial - but for a given processor (same model and year), heat increases as the square of the clock rate. The faster 2.66 Ghz processor would have been 10.8% faster (but only on CPU intensive tasks), but would have dissipated 22.8% more heat, which would have resulted in a similar increase in temperature rise.

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Durk Pearson
By Durk Pearson (11 months ago)

If your power supply is rated at twice the power that you will be using, the I^2 x R = heat generated by it and the temperature rise in it will be only about 1/4 as much as if you were using a power supply at the full rating. Even a 50% overdesigned power supply cuts the temperature rise by a factor of about 225%, and that is a very big deal for system longevity.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

"Over Cooled, Under clocked, over designed power supplies, tiny and quiet, stack able."

Agree on all your comments. We were working on this project since a year already, but I saw the opportunity to throw in new design targets. Our current design is about A4 size ( about US letter ) and is 8 cm thick ( about 3" ). There is a very big CPU heat sink designed for 150 W dissipation, but an i3 is only 35 W and i7 only 70 W. This will keep the CPU cool. Power supply is modular and can be chosen to > 200 % over rated. And I mean 200 % over nominal use and not peak rating. There is enough space for 2 x 3.5" HD and 1 x SSD. I want to have an SSD for the OS ( properly configured of course ), so that the system boots in about 7 seconds. So in case I need something, it is up quickly. So most if time the system is off and does not age. We are developing an open source standard for PCIe Cable and external Disk cable, which are almost complete. ...

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

The Disk cable I actually designed for my photography needs. I loved Firewire so much, but it is phased out. intel and Apple are rejecting us access to Thunderbolt, so since two years we are developing an open source standard alternative.
Design targets for HD:
* Cable costs < 10 USD
* Bandwidth: 24 GTs
* 240 W Power over cable
* Protocol SATA III x 4 Channels
* Daisy Chain. With one cable I can connect up to 4 external HD enclosures, all the way not having one external power supply
* Each enclosure can have up to 10 HD
-> One HD connector on the PC can connect up to 50 HD @ 24 GTs.

If you want to get higher speed, you would go with the PCIe connector
* 240 W power over Cable
* Bandwidth 32 GTs
* Protocol PCIe ( 1.0 ... 3.0 ) x 4 lanes
* Support of PCIe Switches instead of daisy chain
* PCIe Expansion Boxes are used for:
** Add a GPU, e.g. for GPU acceleration of various SW and editing tools
** Ultra High Performance PCIe Raid Controller to build an external HD RAID system

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Why to have these new Open Source PCIe and HD cable standards:
* Thunderbolt is not available to Developers like us
* Thunderbolt is too expensive
* The performance of these buses is higher than Thunderbolt @ lower costs
* If you start investing into a tiny PC, at least me I want to know in case later I need more, I can plug it instead of being forced to build another machine from scratch. These two ports provide just that
* Economy of scale. Build one housing for all sizes, then expand it with additional boxes ( which share the same housing ) if needed.

There are the following Units in this System:
CPU: ( PC Motherboard + 2 x 3.5" + SSD + HD Interface + PCIe Interface )
SATA Drive: External RAID Drive enclosures based on SATA III
PCIe Drive: Super Fast
GPU: GPU acceleration
PSU: ( Surge Protection + UPS + PSU + Multicord )

This is a lot of info in just text. I hope this makes sense. Let me know what you think.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Targets of the whole system:
* Quiet
* Small
* Modular
* Good looking
* Choice of colors with the housing
* Reduce the cable mess
** ( reduce number of cables, keep short, hide behind good looking blend )
* Very reliable
* low cost
* DIY and open system. Buy what you need, do not buy what you do not need
* Long lasting system. So you can add to over the years / decades
* Never force user to trash anything that is still working, reuse in modular system
* external boxes connected with one and one cable only
* Even several units small enough to be hidden behind a display
* no longer climb under desk to plug in a cable ( I hate that )
* Easy to assemble, disassemble
* only use materials can last > 20 years ( e.g. no paint, no glue )
* Usage of only open available standards. Create an open source standard in case industry standard is missing to reach target

Let me know if anything is missing. I am so pi$$ed with HW I can buy. Especially external HD housing. Hot, keep changing, cable mess)

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

The PC accessory makers do not think system. But I am a photographer. I think system. I use system. I love system. I bought Pentax Camera, because my new lens I can use on my I think 30 year old Pentax LX camera, when it itches me. And all the time I am using all my old film lenses on my Brand new Pentax K30. Just last night I used my super > 30 years old 200 mm f.2.5 lens on my K30, and it worked with lots of feature which were not even around when that lens was developed: ( automatic exposure, shake reduction system ). I use HW all the time that is older than 30 years. I am so upset that the PC industry barely can keep an item usable for 5 .. 10 years. In terms of external HD housing, I can not even buy every 3 years a housing, that looks identical to the one I bought 3 years before. All my HD enclosure look like a collection of misfits. Yikes. I am very passionate to design and build a system for me that fixes this mess. Any photographer who like it I will build one for a friend.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (11 months ago)

Oops, I went overboard. 6 comments. I am just so passionate about it. Let me know if this does not interest you and I will not mention it again.

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Rene Holly Klein
By Rene Holly Klein (2 months ago)

I'm inclined to stay at my current CS5.5 and LR4.2 as I can't afford to upgrade to CS6. While merge to panorama would be nice, it's not worth $600 for the few panos I shoot.
My plan for keeping them going currently relies on the fact that Photoshop and Lightroom both work flawlessly under the (Linux-based) WINE virtual machine. While the .lrcat files where Lightroom stores your images and edits are still proprietary, .psd files are easily read by most of the full-featured graphics editors out there simply because Photoshop has dominated the market for so long. I suspect PSD files will be accessible for another decade at least.

My strategy with LR work is a little complex at the moment as LR only allows lossless exports to DNG or TIFF. As I don't have the storage space for those formats right now, I'm reconverting the TIFF exports to PNG using a batch script in Photoshop. Lossless 16-bit sRGB color which most raster image editors happily work with seems the best current option.

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