Mirrorless Cameras: A Primer

By R Butler | Published Dec 15, 2011 |

The eternal question, 'What camera should I buy?' became more complicated with the fairly recent emergence of a new breed of cameras promising to fill a gap in the market. Previously it was a fairly simple decision - you bought a DSLR if you were most concerned about image quality, operational speed and taking control of what the camera did, or you bought one of the various sub-types of small-sensored compact camera if you prioritized pocketability, ease-of-use, price or zoom range. There were some attempts to bridge the gap - superzoom compacts and high-end enthusiast models often offered extensive manual controls - but there was no real middle ground.

Until fairly recently the only real options have either been compact cameras which have very small image sensors, or the considerably larger - in both sensor and body dimensions - DSLR design.

That middle ground has finally been filled, with the emergence of Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Cameras. These cameras take the large sensor and interchangeable lenses that help DSLRs produce such good images, and combine them with the technologies that underpin compact cameras - providing a shooting experience that will be immediately familiar to compact camera users.

Mirrorless cameras have tended to fall into roughly two basic designs. There are models that resemble the classic Rangefinder style (like the Olympus PEN, left), and those which resemble scaled-down DSLRs, like the Panasonic G1 on the right.

Mirrorless cameras (also known as Compact System Cameras, amongst other names) first appeared with the launch of the Micro Four Thirds system from Panasonic and Olympus in 2008. The first generation cameras from these manufacturers (shown above) reflect two distinct body styles that are still prevalent today; a rangefinder-inspired aesthetic and the mini DSLR look-alike. Of the two, rangefinder-style bodies have a smaller form factor by omitting a built-in electronic viewfinder, instead depending on the rear screen for image composition, much like current compact cameras.

Since the Micro Four Thirds launch, Samsung's NX, Sony's NEX, Pentax's Q and Nikon's 1 systems have also been introduced, with Fujifilm confirming that it too will join the party in early 2012.

What's to gain?

For all of their outward differences, it's important to understand how much Mirrorless cameras have in common with DSLRs. In most cases, their sensors are the same or similar in size to most popular DSLRs. By comparison, most compact cameras have sensors that are one twelfth of that size - and this is a big deal, since sensor size is probably the largest determinant of image quality (decidedly more relevant than the number of megapixels). As a result, the image quality of the Mirrorless models we've tested has either been identical or very similar to that of contemporary DSLRs.

In addition to low-light image quality, large sensors tend to result in systems with greater control over depth-of-field, meaning that you can think about using large aperture lenses to get photos with soft, defocused backgrounds.

Putting aside for a moment the oddity that is the compact-sensored Pentax Q, the only real exception to this statement is Nikon's 1 system (surprisingly) goes against this trend and uses a sensor two-thirds smaller than most DSLRs or Mirrorless cameras. This is still four times the size of the sensors in mainstream compact cameras, but does mean the low light image quality and control over depth-of-field isn't on the same level as most of its peers.

Overall, the result is a significantly smaller camera that combines DSLR image quality with a more compact-camera-like user experience, offering 'point and shoot' users a huge upgrade in image quality without the need to change their shooting behavior.

Removing the mirror and optical viewfinder found in the DSLR allows a considerable reduction in bulk as can be seen by comparing the size of a Sony DSLR with one of its Mirrorless NEX cameras.

Putting most lenses on the front prevents them being truly pocketable but they can still be less obtrusive.

The large sensors used in Mirrorless cameras mean that their bodies and lenses don't really count as pocketable, but they are substantially smaller than even the most compact DSLR. This is an advantage not just in that there's less weight and bulk to lug around but also in that using one can be substantially less obtrusive. There are plenty of situations in which pulling out a large 'professional-looking' DSLR will influence the way your would-be subjects respond.

The smaller bodies also, in principle at least, allow for smaller lenses - though this mainly tends to be true for wide-angle and normal zooms, with telephoto lenses being essentially the same size as those used on DSLRs. The small body designs have also prompted most of the manufacturers to create at least one small 'pancake' prime lens for their system. These are fixed focal length lenses and, with the right combination of price, aperture and focal length, can be a great addition if you're looking to really engage with photography. 

The advantage of live view

Traditionally the divide between compact cameras and DSLRs has been that digital compact offer a fast, live preview of the scene you're shooting on the rear display - often called 'live view'. By contrast, the film-era heritage of the SLR design has made adding a fast preview on the camera's rear screen has proved difficult. Several DSLR live view solutions exist but most of them have significant drawbacks in terms of either speed or flexibility.

Mirrorless cameras have all been designed specifically to use the main imaging sensor to provide autofocus information and the preview of what the camera is about to shoot, just as is the case with compact cameras, rather than having this option added on later. Likewise, the lenses for Mirrorless systems have been designed for the different demands that this focus acquisition method requires, making them quicker to focus than when most DSLRs try to focus in live view mode.

This offers not just familiarity, but also another potential advantage: it means you don't need to raise the camera to eye-level to take a photograph. It means they can be used more discretely and do not require the camera to be imposed between the photographer and the subject to nearly the same degree. This feature, combined with their smaller size, results in a camera significantly less intimidating than a DSLR.

If you're stepping up from a compact camera, the excellent live view experience offered by a mirrorless system camera will make the transition seem a lot less daunting.

A side-benefit of their mirrorless design is its ability to assess exposure and show a magnified preview for accurate focusing of old, manual focus lenses, including some that need to be mounted very close to the sensor. This has resulted in a wide range of adapters appearing for the various Mirrorless mounts, allowing the use of a wide variety of manual focus lenses in obscure and obsolete mounts. It may not be as easy as using a native, autofocusing lens but it's a great way for budding photographers to experience fast, fixed focal length lenses without too much financial risk.

The ability to assess exposure and easily magnify the electronic preview make it easy to experiment with second-hand manual focus lenses.

It provides a cheap way to experience shooting with fast, fixed-focal-length lenses (which every budding photographer should get a chance to try).

What are the disadvantages?

There are currently two major disadvantages we've experienced with the Mirrorless cameras we've encountered so far. The first is the inability to match the autofocus speed of DSLRs when conducting continuous or predictive AF. Single-shot AF tends not to be so much of an issue, with most recent Mirrorless models able to match or, in the case of Nikon, Olympus and Panasonic, exceed the single-attempt focusing speed of most DSLRs.

In general Mirrorless cameras cannot track moving subjects (specifically those moving towards or away from you) as well as DSLRs, if at all, and so are far less well suited to sports or other action photography. For the average target user of systems like this the most obvious consequence of the slow low-light focus and inability to keep up with movement comes when shooting even moderately active children indoors in anything but perfect light.

The camera makers we've discussed this with admit that offering continuous and tracking AF on Mirrorless is challenging, so we're not expecting a radical improvement in the short term (though Nikon may have found the answer with its 1 System). As a result, if shooting fast-moving subjects is one of your reasons for buying a new camera, then you'll probably be better served with a DSLR, though you'd still have to consider investing in a more expensive lens to get the best results. There is also considerable variation between the different Mirrorless cameras in terms of autofocusing time so it's worth reading the reviews of the individual models before parting with any cash (the newer ones tend to be better than the first generation models).

The other drawback we've encountered is that the Mirrorless cameras we've tested so far can struggle to focus in low light to a greater degree than most DSLRs do. And, as the result of the way they focus, they don't always see the same benefit from using an AF illuminator as DSLRs do.

AF illuminators can be distracting but they can also give cameras (DSLRs in particular) an advantage when trying to focus in low light.

Most cameras, by default, won't take a picture unless it is in focus ('focus priority'), so the result of their inability to lock onto a moving subject is less likely to be an out of focus shot than either no shot at all (if the camera can't find anything to focus on), or such a long delay that you miss the moment entirely. Even in continuous shooting mode few mirrorless cameras can keep a moving subject in focus, meaning the results will hit and miss - with a lot more miss than hit. It gets worse as focal lengths increase and as light levels drop, and as the amount your subject moves increases.

Waiting for focus means the picture is taken a fraction too late. Pre-focusing is the only solution. Most mirrorless cameras fail to focus on a subject is moving towards (or away from) you.
Shooting in burst mode simply allows you to take more out of focus and/or mis-framed shots as the camera struggles to keep up. With the right settings, good technique and a bit of light you can take great action shots using a mirrorless camera.

Another result of small camera bodies is that the batteries have often also been pared-back. This capacity reduction, combined with the need to always use the LCD or electronic viewfinder means the battery life of Mirrorless cameras isn't quite in the 'shoot-all-day' range that many DSLRs offer (that said, entry-level DSLR batteries have also been getting smaller, so it's worth factoring-in the cost of a spare, whichever system you choose).

The final limitation for Mirrorless systems at present is a distinct lack of native lenses. For many buyers, this is likely to be a moot point - the majority of DSLR buyers don't ever take off the lens that comes with their camera. However, if you are planning to throw yourself into photography, it's worth looking to see how extensive your options are.

As the oldest Mirrorless system, it's no surprise that the Micro Four Thirds lens mount has the most comprehensive range available: stretching from wide-angle zooms through to a selection of telephotos and including a handful of enthusiast-friendly prime lenses. However, this can't yet compete with the vast ranges of DSLRs lenses offered by the camera makers and third-party manufacturers.

Meanwhile the newer Sony E-mount (used by its NEX cameras), currently offers only six lenses, and Samsung has a slightly broader choice for its NX system. This will undoubtedly change and all the Mirrorless manufacturers are being open about the lenses they have planned.

Are there any other options?

Mirrorless cameras aren't the only attempt to bridge the gap between compacts and DSLRs. Sony has, characteristically, created its own solution. Its SLT range offers some of the best features of a DSLR with compact-camera style live view, giving a camera that's capable of fast continuous AF, even when shooting video. You lose the size advantage of the Mirrorless systems, however.

Is the technology ready yet?

Mirrorless cameras have only been on the market for around three years, rather than the 15-or-so years over which DSLRs have been developed (plus, of course, more than half a century's worth of refinement of the underlying SLR mechanism), so it's understandable that there is more obvious room for improvement.

Mirrorless cameras, despite being able to inherit a lot of know-how from both DSLRs and compact cameras, are still a developing technology. But, even though most of these systems are only just reaching their second or third generation, we've already seen considerable improvements in focus speed and user interfaces designed to make it easier to access their full capabilities.

Even in their relatively unrefined state, unless you need the fast-subject shooting capability of a DSLR, we think the Mirrorless cameras' size, accessibility and (increasingly) price make them pretty compelling. In fact, if you're someone looking to upgrade from a compact camera, it's certainly worth asking yourself the question 'do I really want a DSLR?'

To further help your decision, we'll be publishing a buyer's guide to the best Mirrorless models in the coming weeks.

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BG_CX3_DPREVIEW
By BG_CX3_DPREVIEW (Dec 16, 2011)

First really good article,

first really objective one i read here anyhow.

I appreciate you first post an article about this typoe of cams vs dslr, without naming brands and types.

I anxioulsy await your best mirrorless add.:-)

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Aasmund Midttun Godal
By Aasmund Midttun Godal (Dec 16, 2011)

What about lenses?!?

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Michael Uschold
By Michael Uschold (Dec 16, 2011)

Well done. I have been excited by the possibility of a small camera with DSLR quality images for a long time. I nearly wet myself recently when I saw someone on a hike with a NEX 5N. Small and light is important to me since I travel a lot and like to photograph while hiking and backpacking and kayaking etc. I read the reviews with excitement. I am ready to buy one -- except that I have a bunch of Canon lenses - so I will wait for their offering.

One very important thing missing in the article is eye level viewing. One thing I really love about an SLR is the ease and convenience and extreme clarity of thru the lens viewing from eye level. It makes a huge difference. I never feel like Im doing real photography with a compact camera looking at the viewer. I have not seen the eye-level option for the NEX-5N nor have I seen anyone say how good they are compared to a traditional DSLR -- I don't need to know how much better they are than the previous generations - which were crap!

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R Butler
By R Butler (Dec 16, 2011)

It really depends on what you're considering 'the previous generation.'

A 1.44M dot display (800x600 pixels), as in the add-on Olympus or Ricoh finder can be very good and shouldn't be compared to the 200k dot EVFs that tend to turn up in Superzooms. Then there are the Sony 2.4M dot OLED EVFs, which are really impressive.

But it all depends on what you're used to and how you use the finder...

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Nerkdergler
By Nerkdergler (Dec 16, 2011)

It's also worth trying to get over that feeling of "I'm not doing real photography composing with the LCD". Although there are some drawbacks (e.g. viewing in glare) there are some distinct advantages to it, as outlined in the article. As a long-time DSLR user that has started using a GF1, I realise how blinkered I had become - literally! The ability to see what is outside the camera's field of view at the same time as what is in it has changed my composition for the better. There are times when I need the clip-on viewfinder, but these days they are few and far between. When you do something for a living, it's very easy to fall into habits and then come to assume that those habits are the only way of doing things. YMMV, but it's worth challenging yourself every now and then. :)

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rurikw
By rurikw (Dec 16, 2011)

The otherwise good article left out one crucial criterion for which milc to buy. One with an articulated screen! I could not recommend any model with a fixed screen to anyone, because I think that is equal to throwing away 90% of the whole advantage with live view. I hardly ever hold my Sony R1 (not a milc but a large sensor fixed lens camera with articulated screen and no mirror) at eye level (where it is more comfortable to use the EVF anyway) but overhead (above the crowd), waist level (most comfortable, medium format LR like) or ground level (the camera on its back on the floor, screen turned up, shooting church roofs). This little hinge makes a huge difference and makes shooting from awkward angles comfortable, eliminates guesswork and/or the need for acrobatics and dirtying your clothes. I find this hugely more useful than the admittedly very lifelike view through the mirror.

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filipe brandao
By filipe brandao (Dec 16, 2011)

Michael, you should consider reading luminous landscape articles and the excellent articles by Sean Reid on reidreviews.com (paid site unfortunately). They take an open-minded approach to the viewfinder subject and offer the analysis that you are looking for.

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rurikw
By rurikw (Dec 16, 2011)

I meant church CEILINGS, sorry about my English.

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AndyGM
By AndyGM (Dec 16, 2011)

Michael, you will not want to use your existing Canon lenses with whatever Mirrorless system Canon come up with (if they ever do). They will likely be too big for a mirrorless body and leave the combination feeling unbalanced.

For Mirrorless with built in viewfinder, I would look at the Panasonic G3 (which also has an articulated screen in case you which to try out a change in composition technique)

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Dec 20, 2011)

"A 1.44M dot display (800x600 pixels)... can be very good and shouldn't be compared to the 200k dot EVFs that tend to turn up in Superzooms. Then there are the Sony 2.4M dot OLED EVFs, which are really impressive."

These days, superzooms come with 1.44MP viewfinders (check into the Fujifilm X-S1 26x zoom range superzoom, for example).

Regarding the Sony OLED EVF in the SLT Alpha 65/77, I find them not at all clearer or indeed better than what Sony has in their a33/a35/a55. A big letdown, as a matter of fact. But it makes great reading in Sony press releases and flashing web sites. And the first video clips out of the Sony a65/a77 are absolutely horrendous. Colors are bad sci-fi like, and of course that huge amount of digi-noise.

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tyb
By tyb (Dec 16, 2011)

What a tease article, I'm so dissapointed! I saw the headline and started reading and reading and only finally get to the end to read that you'll publish your buyers guide in a few weeks. Hello, Christmas is what two weeks away, do you know many people have bought or be buying that compact or mirrorless camera in the next week? How many reviews are already out there on the most recent mirrorless. I used to come here to read about things first, these days come here and read for possible validation, but you guys are so behind the times on lens and this is an example of so late on a body review. Whats up with you guys?

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R Butler
By R Butler (Dec 16, 2011)

Believe me, we'll be publishing the roundup as soon as we can - and if I can possibly make that before Christmas, I will.

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keepreal
By keepreal (Dec 16, 2011)

Yes I agree with you. DP Review is great for detailed reviews of equipment but the rest you can keep. For serious photographers most of the articles, even the good ones, tell you little more than you already know.

But now, not only do we have articles teaching us proverbially how to suck eggs, we have articles telling us that more are on the way. Just hold your breath and wait a few more weeks.

DP Review is getting ridiculous and far too much into media hype. If it were always sane and serious and said nothing when there was nothing to say, it would be far more pleasurable. As it used to be.

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R Butler
By R Butler (Dec 16, 2011)

I'm sorry you see it that way.

This was intended as an article for people who don't read the site every day and haven't read all the reviews. There are plenty of people who have only recently become aware of Mirrorless cameras and this is to explain the pros and cons to them.

There is also a more advanced summary of the current models on its way, but this article isn't just a trailer for that - it's a standalone article in its own right.

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keepreal
By keepreal (Dec 16, 2011)

No Mr Butler. No offence intended. As such articles go, I think yours is one of the best.

Here are some examples of what I do object to:

Challenge of Challenges 2011 - mostly rubbish pictures, so why bother?

Digital lo-fi photography More like a lo-fi article on a lo-fi subject IMO.

Apple chooses Instagram and Snapseed as Apps of the Year. Who cares and what has this got to do with proper photography?

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CBestwick
By CBestwick (Dec 16, 2011)

And what exactly is proper photography?

Whatever your opinion might be, you have the choice to read or not to read an article; some of us do actually want to read these articles, which pertain to the basic principles of photography - namely, image making.

All photography is manipulation, whether it's pre or post capture, and I for one applaud the options and democratisation that digital photography affords. Please don't seek censorship!

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HeezDeadJim
By HeezDeadJim (Dec 16, 2011)

@CBestwick: Problem is, favoritism seems afoot. We can choose what articles we read on here, but there are more phones than just the iPhone. Seeing "best app" and "Apple chooses blah" articles when the Nokia N8 and N9 have much better/faster cameras, with no "dedicated" articles around them. Plus the lack of Android topics.

It's not really a "choice" if you only have one choice. Favoritism tends to hinder selections (favoritism=censorship).

Please don't seek censorship!

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CBestwick
By CBestwick (Dec 17, 2011)

@HeezDeadJim: I read the post by keepreal to be comment on the nature of photography covered by DP Review, rather than criticism regarding brand favouritism. As such, my reply related solely to this issue and it's a little unfair to mis-appropriate my words.

Regarding favouritism and Apple-centrism, I have to say that I haven't found it so. The fact of the matter is that the market itself is heavily weighted in Apple's favour because it is the dominant product; in terms of DP's reviews and news items, and as a non-Apple tablet owning, Android using punter, I find them fairly even-handed within the remit of the current situation. This is a fast maturing market and I don't doubt that coverage will change to reflect this.

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HeezDeadJim
By HeezDeadJim (Dec 17, 2011)

@CBestwick: keepreal doesn't want these articles in DP. I agree that's we have the choice of not reading them if we don't want to read about "another Apple" topic.

The point I'm trying to make is that there are other products out there that DP could be paying attention (reviews, news) to besides the "dominant" Apple product. By your logic (fact: Apple is the dominant product, therefore DP also reflects this), then DP would have a lot more news/reviews on Canon or Nikon since they are the dominant selling cameras. But DP still has plenty of topics on Oly, Panny, Sigma, Samsung, Sony etc.

You're ignoring the signs if you don't see the favoritism. There is an abundance of tablets now (Kindle Fire, Galaxy, Xoom). Where is an article on what tablets are "worthy" of photo viewing (IPS, AMOLED displays, resolution). I welcome these articles that touch the realm of photography (even if some don't consider it so), but I just want diversity. DP isn't showing that with tablets and phones/apps.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Dec 20, 2011)

@ tyb: with Christmas coming up, looks like everyone is rather busy! Happy Holidays, Everyone! :~))

@ CBestwick: "the market itself is heavily weighted in Apple's favour because it is the dominant product."

Funny, I had always thought that Apple products were overpriced garbage. Still believe so, as a matter of fact.

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emircruz
By emircruz (Dec 16, 2011)

Great article! I just want to share my experience. I just moved to an Olympus E-P3 (previously coming from an Olympus DSLR E-510).

It should be pointed out that although there are adapters to your favorite modern AF lenses, some might not AF as well as if it were mounted on a traditional dslr. I'm not sure about the NEX or the NX ranges but M43 uses CDAF which might be an issue if you are using a lens which is optimize for PDAF. Like my ZD 50mm F2. I takes painfully long to AF (something like 1-2 secs in good lighting). The E-P3 has a focus assist lamp though, so it could at least aquire a lock in very dark situations - something that my old e-510 cant.

The EVF is a great addition! With features like an auto zoom in when you MF, it makes it a LOT easier to MF (available in LCD also). I find it impossible to MF using my old E-510. The VF was too small and too dark. I just don't like the fact that the EVF/LCD consumes power.

One thing though.. I miss the big grip.

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PenFTGuy
By PenFTGuy (Dec 17, 2011)

I still have my E-510 and use it along with my E-P3. Many times I need the reach of the 70-300mm (140-600) lens on the E-510.

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emircruz
By emircruz (Dec 17, 2011)

Actually I would have the kept the e-510 if it weren't turning itself off. :p Wished Olympos kept the e-5xx/6xx line alive.

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wb2trf
By wb2trf (Dec 16, 2011)

I think this is a pretty fair overview, generally speaking. I take issue however with the degree of disadvantage with shooting young children. I think if someone were reading this and interested in buying a camera to photograph young children they might lean toward a dslr, which I think would be a mistake.

I don't think the AF issues are as bad as you characterize for this subject. Even in poor light I usually have no problem with the Nex and kit zoom. The "child in swing, shot from front" is the extreme. I don't deny that there is some adaptation of photographer to equipment that occurs, but I find that the AF speed issue is not a large one for this class of subject.

You rightly note that dslr's can be intimidating to subjects. For children the strong issue is that you need to stay engaged. Viewfinders are inimical to engagement. Live View on dslrs is dog slow. The mirrorless lets you stay with the child keeping the camera away from your face. This is the biggest issue by far.

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fastlass
By fastlass (Dec 16, 2011)

My guess is that the latest crop of m43s bodies focus quick enough for the market that photographs children, heck most of the best compacts are up to task. Remember that we don't demand every shot be perfectly focused and exposed - just most of them.

I find the engagement less of a problem - the bigger problem is the size and weight of a dSLR, even entry level models. I'll give m43s a size edge, but once you put a zoom on them, for my purposes, the advantage is negated. When photographing your kids, you need a camera you can grab and go with, toss on the couch or drop in a bag, because you're still 75% parent (only 25% photographer).

IF i were buying my 1st system again, in 2011, it would definitely be m43s because they're mostly equal to a 2-4 year old entry level dslr, which is 100% adequate for most needs, IQ/performance wise, and smaller.

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Baba Ganoush
By Baba Ganoush (Dec 16, 2011)

I appreciate your comment about the AF issue when taking pictures of moving objects, since I was wondering how serious the problem is in practice. I'm truly puzzled why there should be any problem at all since the online camera reviews I've read claim that the AF SPEEDs of most mirrorless cameras are almost identical to those of the DSLRs, at least in normal light if not in low light conditions. For example, reviews of the NEX and G series cameras claim those cameras autofocus as fast as the Nikon D7000. But such results are based on controlled studio tests, not on actual photography of moving subjects like children or race cars or basketball games. So it's good to hear from actual users how their mirrorless cameras perform in different situations beyond the confines of studio optical tests. Thanks for posting your impressions. I hope others do the same. It's very useful to the rest of us.

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targa86
By targa86 (Dec 16, 2011)

"telephoto lenses being essentially the same size as those used on DSLRs"

This is a bit misleading. WRT effective focal length the slightly smaller sensor in most Mirrorless camera makes a big difference. Just compare the size of the Nikon 105 f1.8 that I use on my m43 system with a Canon 200mm f2! Of course a 200 mm lens is approximately the same size no matter what system.

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Pangloss
By Pangloss (Dec 16, 2011)

Richard, there are now six E-mount lenses for Sony NEX cameras:
1) 18-55mm kit zoom.
2) 16mm pancake (and two converters, wide angle and fisheye).
3) 18-200mm zoom.
4) 30mm macro.
5) 55-210mm zoom.
6) Tamron 18-200mm zoom.

With two more due RSN: the Zeiss 24mm and a 50mm f/1.8 portrait lens.

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ET2
By ET2 (Dec 16, 2011)

Zeiss 24mm is already available in several stores. 50mm f/1.8 is available in Asia (and thus probably ebay too) but not yet in the US.

Another point to keep in mind is that most people who buy entry-level DSLRs don't buy too many lenses anyway. Usually they just use the kit lens that comes with the camera.

DPR readers however are looking for more lenses, especially pancakes. That's what Sony should do next.

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noirdude
By noirdude (Dec 16, 2011)

i use DSLR & film cameras regularly and take either XZ1 or X10 if i want to travel light. the thing i don't like about mirorrless is that i'm still tempted to keep on changing lenses just like when i'm using DSLR/film-cameras :) and still have to struggle when it comes to fast moving subject.. not to mention slow focusing.. might as well stay with DSLR/film cameras.. :)

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powerbook duo
By powerbook duo (Dec 16, 2011)

It is curious that we've always have the technology to make a camera like this from day one of digital camera infancy, yet it is only now that this design is starting to take hold. I have been discussing something like this with friends since around 2000. Is it inertia of the big manufacturers like Nikon and Canon that's prevented the development?

Rangefinder-type mirrorless seems like an accident or an afterthought development that spurs from miniaturization of FourThirds.

Also aren't there also issues with short flange focus distance and sensors.... something to do with light angle and has that now been mitigated by this generation of sensors?

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Michael Uschold
By Michael Uschold (Dec 16, 2011)

Too right. I also have been talking about this for many years. It is about time. I'm waiting to see what Canon comes up with.

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likesfilm
By likesfilm (Dec 16, 2011)

My first time here.

As a long -time photographer (decades), it is frustrating to read so often that the weight of a full-size camera is such a frequent disadvantage. I have been fortunate to be able to use cameras of all sizes and weight over the years, both digital and film based. The bulk and weight of the larger cameras has always felt better and more stable in my hands.

Of course there is a valuable place and usage for all sizes of camera, but do the majority of experienced amateurs and pros who read this magazine really believe full-size camera weight is as bad as the reviewers would have you believe?

I don't get it. Is it an age thing?; because I still like viewfinders, too. Is it manufacturer driven, as I might believe? Do the majority of reviewers and writers have enough years behind a lens to really know the advantages of a heavier weight camera. Are we just getting lazy?

Do any of you agree with me? Thank you.

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R Butler
By R Butler (Dec 16, 2011)

I'm purely writing about Mirrorless in this article. What I'm trying to say is that there are some people who prefer lighter cameras, and therefore they might want to consider these cameras. I'm not suggesting that smaller and lighter is always better.

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olympian_dp
By olympian_dp (Dec 16, 2011)

I've had slightly shaky hands all my life. My big DSLR gives me inertial stability. My MIL EP-2 I have to either mount a big lens (4/3 type) or use a monopod to get the same quality of picture as my DSLR. So I agree with you Likesflm!

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kjh7
By kjh7 (Dec 16, 2011)

Viewfinders-that's one thing I miss on a lot of cameras. A bright, high resolution vf is much more useful than a high resolution display!

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sean lancaster
By sean lancaster (Dec 16, 2011)

I had a Nikon D70 and the 18-200 VR lens during an outdoor hiking adventure in Canada 2 years ago. It was a nightmare. I didn't want my camera in a bag because I needed it to grab a shot on a moment's notice. I wore the neck strap and carried it but it was hot and my neck got extremely sweaty. I was able to get an awesome shot of a bear that wouldn't have happened if the camera wasn't ready immediately.

I now have a Sony NEX-5N and took it on a hike. HUGE difference. I can't even adequately explain how much better this experience is. The weight of the D70 was clearly a disadvantage for me over what I have now. And, the image quality is noticeably better with the 5N. Granted, the D70 is older technology, but it's also similar in weight to many DSLRs.

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Michael Uschold
By Michael Uschold (Dec 16, 2011)

So you are lucky, you don't have to pain over a tradeoff between weight and other functionality - because weight is not important to you. Weight and size is important to me because I travel a lot and like to do backpacking and on the go photography. 90% of the time a Mirrorless would probably suffice for me -- modulo the one thing that the article missed: I really like eye level view.

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keepreal
By keepreal (Dec 16, 2011)

The idea of holding a camera away from your body to peer at a LCD screen on the back obliterated by bright sunlight, compose the image properly, hold the camera steady with your arm or arms unsupported in space is a joke. Ideally, a mirrorless digital camera would be the size of a pre-war Leica, allow interchangeable lenses but have an optical viewfinder as good as an M series model. They don’t.

I am sticking to DSLRs. Last May/June I had an ambitious holiday in the south-west USA visiting some of the best of Utah and Arizona. At times I resented the physical demands lugging about my D300 with three heavy lenses but only while I was on the trip. Once I got home and got to work I was amazed at far more successful shots than I had expected fully justifying what I had to go through to get them.

So I'll do it again contentedly on my next trip and to hell with the weight. The only thing I will feel I have to put up with before I get home and to work on my results will be the wait.

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Bill1969
By Bill1969 (Dec 16, 2011)

Taking fast moving wildlife shots is much easier with DSLR, when i press the camera to my face and balance it with my hands i get the most sturdy hold. This is impossible with mirrorless i think..

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keepreal
By keepreal (Dec 16, 2011)

Part of it also is that DP Review is now trying to be all things to all people. And just look at all the silly features that almost all digital cameras have. We will soon have a mode for bum recognition and for white balance in complete darkness. Do not feel the quality, just the width.

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Gerardjan
By Gerardjan (Dec 16, 2011)

Can't agree more with you "likesfilm !"

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jonquil
By jonquil (Dec 16, 2011)

I think liking viewfinders is an age thing. I'm in my late 40s. In the last few years I've started needing reading glasses and this makes rear screens really awkward.

With my digital SLR's viewfinder I can leave my glasses off, as I'm focussing my eyes for distance viewing. With my digital compact I have to put the glasses on to see the screen, then take them off again to look directly at the subject.

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Nerkdergler
By Nerkdergler (Dec 16, 2011)

Yep. Age and habit, mostly. It's amazing how set in our ways we become, and how much we try to squirm and rationalise our addiction the status quo when it's challenged. The reality is there are pros and cons to most things. As a general rule, if you're seeing only cons you're probably not being particularly objective.

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ShaneTheEE
By ShaneTheEE (Dec 16, 2011)

I'm a NEX owner and I do a fair bit of international travel (11 weeks to Asia and New Zealand so far this year). I don't check bags, so a full size DSLR (or even a superzoom) was simply a non-starter for me.

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egarc
By egarc (Dec 16, 2011)

@keepreal
When I'm not holding my 5N at waist level, I push the camera out so the neck strap it tight. It offers quite a bit of stabilization. I agree though that it's not as stable as holding the camera to your eye and elbows down but it's a worthy trade-off in my opinion. I sold my D90 mainly because of size and weight. I take my 5N with me way more than I took the D90.

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PenFTGuy
By PenFTGuy (Dec 17, 2011)

I have used cameras from the old Speed Graphic, Linhof field camera, to a Minox. The all time favorite camera that I used was a Hasselblad. That being said:

The reason that professional photographers have assistants is to carry that heavy gear. Holding my Oly E-510 with the 40-150 zoom for over 3 hours, it is heavy. Why over 3 hours? The shows I have to take pictures at start at 8 a.m. and I'm usually still photographing until noon or later.

After years of putting my face to a viewfinder it was hard to use a compact with no viewfinder. Now I'm pretty comfortable with or without a viewfinder. I do have the optical viewfinder for my Oly E-P3. I rarely use it.

One thing about weight. The more a camera weighs the more substantial it feels. It doesn't feel like it is going to break if you accidentally bang it against something.

Time marches on. More kids have compact cameras to use these days as well as cell phones, and smart phones for recording images.

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tomtom50
By tomtom50 (Dec 16, 2011)

The section on mirrorless focus tracking weakness is good, but the Nikon 1 is enough of an exception with its DSLR-level focus tracking that it deserves a special mention.

Also, since the article is aimed a new comers the depth of focus is worth a photo or two. Basically m43 and APS-C will have DSLR-like depth of focus, and the Nikon 1 will be more like a compact.

Some people like shallow depth of focus, others prefer it deep, but the pictures you get will be very different, enough so to make it worth a mention.

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R Butler
By R Butler (Dec 16, 2011)

I'd intended to put in a mention of the Nikons when talking about continuous AF, so I've just added it.

With regards depth-of-field, you can always stop a lens down and push ISO up to get more depth-of-field on a large sensor system, but there's little you can do to gain shallower depth-of-field on a small sensor cameras, so I've talked in terms of large sensor cameras offering greater 'control over depth-of-field.'

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frosti7
By frosti7 (Dec 16, 2011)

R Butler,
great piece! i think its both informative and beginner-friendly

I wish you would give more credit to NX system,
"Samsung has only a slightly broader choice for its NX system" - that statement is simply not true,

Samsung has that sony does not:
1.20-50 a collapsible lens (which is a must for compact system)
2.85\1.4 (amazing lens)
3.NX has a choice of 3 pancakes! sony has only one! (the biggest benefit of CSC's are small pancake lens!)

Sony has only basic 1855 zooms, not practical slow 30\3.5 macro,
ultra expensive CZ lens, and NEX most praised lens is 50\1.8 which is extremly banal!

As a M43 shooter - i prefer the NX lens lineup (due to pancakes) you might rightfully disagree, but claiming that NX has "slightly" better lens selection then NEX? its simply not true.

add to this that samsung roadmap is much more crowded then sony's

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R Butler
By R Butler (Dec 16, 2011)

Thank you. And I do take your point. I've removed the 'only' to make it clearer that the Samsung range is broader. (It's still a long way short of the Micro Four Thirds range, so I can't really remove the 'slightly').

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iudex
By iudex (Dec 16, 2011)

I share your opinion. CSC makes sense especially with pancakes and if a CS camera does not have a choice of reasonable pancakes (the most commom focal range like 35 or 50 mm eq.), it looses it´s attractivity.

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jj74e
By jj74e (Dec 16, 2011)

I feel this article is a bit late for most people on DPR. I'm sure some new members/guests will benefit from this, but I feel like the majority of us on here- enthusiasts/professionals- already are aware of the info presented here. Well written though.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Dec 16, 2011)

to be honest it's not really aimed at the DPR faithful, but we get millions of visitors a month, and many of them are new to the whole thing.

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Mike Ronesia
By Mike Ronesia (Dec 16, 2011)

There are new people coming to this site every day that use a P&S and this info will be a big help to them. I used P&S cameras and always came here to see what was the latest and greatest with no intention of buying a DSLR. When my Oly 8080 died I waited for the GF1 to come out after reading about it here. I think this will be a great reference for lots of people in the P&S world. I do feel they understated the lens range of M4/3's. No there are not hundreds but they have almost every thing covered and I'm now in love with fast primes.

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DaveJC
By DaveJC (Dec 16, 2011)

Actually, this is a very good synopsis of these cameras and the difference from them to DSLRs. I am always trying to explain these cameras to newbies and now I can point them to this article. The real attraction is light, and small. Thanks

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Michael Uschold
By Michael Uschold (Dec 16, 2011)

I disagree. I have been tracking this quite closely, reading many of the reviews and articles here and elsewhere. I did find it a helpful summary putting it all in one place. I learned a few things I did not know. Though, I'm sure there are some who fall into your camp and did not learn much.

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Dec 16, 2011)

I find no problem with the article, but the idea of an article NOT aimed at the DPreview faithful--I disagree with that approach. I agree with {jj74e}, most of us are enthusiasts etc, so I say do more articles from THAT point of view. Soccer moms & dads have plenty of sites tailored for them, enthusiasts need their sites, & I regard this as one.

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PIngp0NGMW
By PIngp0NGMW (Dec 16, 2011)

As the owner of a complete DSLR system (Pentax) I have begun to watch the mirrorless market very closely as an alternative or back up body to carrying my DSLR around. Going out to a function or just out and about, a DSLR with a bag, strap, and spare lens (or not) is a weight burden and very obtrusive. More often than not, I'd rather leave the kit at home. With the variety of mirrorless cameras on the market right now it's become a real question to me if I sell my whole DSLR kit and move to a new system or just buy a system camera with a fast aperture lens to carry around.

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keepreal
By keepreal (Dec 16, 2011)

I felt exactly the same dilemma with a Nikon D300 and three heavy zoom lenses. I looked into mirrorless very carefully but was not happy with the compromises - too many of them and too much money for not exactly what I wanted.

So, in the end, I added a Nikon D5000 with its lightweight but good quality 18-55mmm VR. This was easily the best price/performance alternative on the market in cheaper DSLRs, even looking at other makes than Nikon. It may be large and heavy compared to a mirrorless but it is light and compact compared with what I already had. And few compromises too.

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iudex
By iudex (Dec 16, 2011)

If you come to the decision to sell your kit, let me know. ;-)
I also own a Pentax DSLR, but I am in a phase of buying lenses. However I also faced situations where I did not want to carry the SLR and missed a picture. That is why I regret selling my Samsung EX1, which was perfect for street photo or situations when DSLR was too striking. Maybe after having completed my DSLR kit I will sell it all and come back to something small. Before doing that I need to spend some money, so that I have bigger loss when selling it. ;-)

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kjh7
By kjh7 (Dec 15, 2011)

I "upgraded" to an Olympus E-PL2 from a Nikon D40. I love my Olympus! My Nikon was just too heavy(though the lightest DSLR), so I rarely put it in my bag and missed a lot of pic opportunities. Now, I can take my PL2 with me all the time. The image quality is excellent, it's light, and it has some really cool features. I am so glad I bought a mirrorless camera. I highly recommend them!

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smafdy
By smafdy (Dec 15, 2011)

To me, the greatest benefit of these cameras (Micro Four Thirds, at least, and then only in aperture priority or manual), is their ability to accept a wide variety of legacy lenses.

There are some sweet deals on very high quality legacy glass by any number of manufacturers available on the used market.

Being that these lenses are manual focus when used with Micro Four Thirds cams, the lack of autofocus precision and speed lacking in the cameras really isn’t an issue.

If you really want to get close to photography, get some old lenses and the appropriate adaptors. If nothing else using them will force you to shoot with more consideration (something auto-everything has taught us, or at least encourages us, not to do).

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Solarcoaster
By Solarcoaster (Dec 15, 2011)

Also it is somewhat misleading to say there are only five lenses. There are two more that have been announced by Sony that figure to ship pretty soon, also there are two or three manual focus e-mount prime lenses from SLRMagic.

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