Second Prize, photo by Jericsaniel
The problem is not 'is it art?' it is stupid human tricks. Keep it up and your toys will be confiscated.
I love new photographic technology and have been upgrading my equipment periodically but would like to draw the line here, no drones for me and I don't dig photography with drones either. Am a birder or rather a bird lover (and a vegetarian if I may add), have seen House Crows being disturbed by a drone and would not like to intrude into the territory occupied by birds except perhaps with a zoom lens :-)
Everyone is a photographer.Everyone is an artist.
There are no rules to being creative, and if you think so, then I don't think you get why people create in the first place.
You can spend your life criticizing the work of everyone else because it gives us all something to do while we try to forget about the clock, but humans like their fads, and if drone photography is the next one, then take it with a smile...because complaining about it isn't going to change anything, and I mean anything. Do you find the image pleasing? Good, because I don't. So who is right? The REAL photographer, the REAL artist? Who has the opinion that really matters, that can change the opinion of society and stop a fad from happening?Pick your battles people, because complaining about what makes a photographer a photographer, or an artist an artist doesn't change the fact that everyone has the right to bend whatever rules they see fit to get the shot, and they will, because opinions are like what again?
Jkoch,,,times have moved on since Audubon and Darwin,,it isn't really acceptable to disturb wildlife like this,,at risk of again reapeating myself,,in many countries,disturbing wildlife in any way is breaking the law...
The first pic with the eagle is VERY cool. The rest is just ok.
Some are great pictures indeed. I think the strong interest in photography made via-drones is that now, with 1000USD you can take pictures in most places with a minimum investment. Aerial photography for the masses.
But I prefer the old way using airplanes =) expensive, yes, but you're up there taking the pictures, not something else.
Adubon, Darwin, and other early birders and biologist use shotguns to acquire their specimens for drawing and research. Captivity for zoological exhibition (aka caging) is way to bring birds with observation range. Drones with cameras seem benign by comparison.
Now i need to go Tamul Waterfall!
To pierre the idiot,,,yes people eat chickens for dinner,,but your comments show your lack of brain resolving capacity,,so let me get this straight,,just because we eat chickens nd turkeys its OK to harass a wild bird?? I am a birder and I know and understand bird behavior,,the eagle would not investigate this drone,they are nervous birds by nature and only chase their own kind to get them out of their territory,,I do not believe the photographers argument,,,as I said in Europe harrasing raptors would be law breaking,,I hope its a one off incident the like of which does not happen again,,,to add anyone who thinks its acceptable is an idiot...
You are wrong. I've had a Eagle fly within 2 meters of my slope soaring R/C aircraft, and stay there through maneuvers for more than 30 seconds.
The stadium shot is amazing. I would never dare fly my own six-prop up that high AT NIGHT. At the slightest malfunction, my drone might end up in the middle of the football field. Well done!
Webber15 has it right.
Many of us feel that drones can be used unsafely and unethically just to get a picture. I wonder what the wildlife agencies would say?
And I bet over 50% of the people complaining about the eagle picture are going to have some kind of 'bird' for dinner tonight (chicken, turkey, etc). The comments here just go to show how incomprehensibly idiotic people can be.
A toy drone probably couldn't hit an adult eagle even if it tried to. To say otherwise is like saying an RC car could hit a cheetah. Now if an eagle gets curious and comes right up to the drone, as was the case in this picture according to the photographer's statement, that's another situation. But should we all stop driving just because a squirrel might get 'curious' an get hit?
This is not to say drones can't be dangerous. Pictures 2 and 6 made me cringe. What if something had gone wrong with the drone? It might seem unlikely but it certainly can happen. My DJI Phantom stopped responding to my controller on a recent flight and it crashed. Had there been people around, someone could easily have been hurt, which is why I never fly around people.
Those wide angles are just too wide for my taste.
Well now u know lee jay that raptors are in the area I suggest u refrain from flying your drone in the area...
I don't have a multirotor copter and the only camera equipped airplane I have hasn't had the camera on it since the late 90s. It was a 35mm film point and shoot.
"We were taking vertical aerial photos using autopilot. Suddenly the eagle came and chasing our drones, so I decided to take over and switch to manual control. After few minutes we discovered that the eagle did not attack the drone but chasing and playing with it." - The winner
In reply to some of u Prats down below,,so let me get this right,,just because u are being creative,, its OK to disturb wildlife which is all ready having a hard time dealing with peoples interference...
Ipecaca,u are an idiot,,let people have fun at the eagles expense,,of course its OK coz its just one!! Let me harass u coz ur just one person...Prat...olso doing what he has done is against the law in many countries...
"Photography" just fell from the art of profane to the art of ridiculous. Now it even excludes human eye behind the camera, and replaces it with a remote controller. I personally don't know what this "art" is, but when something is totally removed from our senses and sensibilities, and drowns in the blind fad of times, it despises everything we sensibly believe is human side of photography.Drones are not the apparatus, but drones are people who engage in this profanity just for the sake of "ability".
So paintings made from anything but direct observations are not art either then?
Whenever something is done that has not been done before, there seem to be a choir of angry detractors eagerly standing by to moan and groan about it.
This is photography just as much any other photography. Just because you cannot see past the technology used, it does not take away any of its potential value.
And for your information: remote controlled photography has been around for many, many decades already :)
Photography isn't about physically handling the camera; it's actually about choosing a subject matter and capturing a compelling moment, interesting composition, evocative lighting, visual storytelling, making a statement, and so on. None of those require you to physically handle a camera during the moment of exposure.
Natural photographers routinely use remote controlled camera to shoot certain types of shots (for example, really elusive and shy animals that are rarely seen, or time-lapse shots spanning over many hours, days, weeks, etc).
Try to be open-minded and remember that visual art is about what you're trying to express and the moments you want to capture. It's not about the gear or how you achieve the result physically.
why is it that every loser who makes a comment like this is a talentless hack who's filled his gallery with unadulterated s***?
quit trying to compensate for your trashy photos by being a negative little b**** on a f***ing gear website, you clown. lol
Photography has always been about gadgets and tricks. Art means gadgets and tricks. Singing too is a sort of trick, though most of us do it rather poorly. Take away the gadgets, and most of us are simply bad singers.
Great pics. Retarded comments.I wonder if all those nature "protectors" have any idea how many habitats are destoyed to provide the fuel for electricity they use to write those silly coments about just one bird. Wake up, the trace gases from your car kill (yes, not just virtually disturbs) dozens of animals every year, highways interrupt migration rutes. Every time you put a new pack of a4 paper in a printer a tree is cut somewhere.You can't afford to be so naive. Fight real problems, let the people have some fun
So, your argument is: "Hey, we're already destroying nature, so let's at least have some fun while doing it." Really mature.
You know, there's a reason for existence of national parks. It is to preserve those few natural habitats that are left relatively untouched and protect the wildlife within.
One occasional drone flight might not be that big of a deal, but people are missing the big picture here. This fad is spreading like cancer and soon, there will be dozen drones a day flying over hunting grounds of wild birds and such. It's just a matter of time before that has real, measurable impact.
Relax Astrotripper, dPREVIEW is just FULL to the brim with Trolls and people with an empty place for a brain: they will just writte NO MATTER WHAT only to prove themselves they know a lot! :/
I'm not saying let's have fun destroying nature. I'm saying let's focus on real problems that are really hard to solve, rather than ban rc toys and sleep well with "I saved the planet today" in mind.Apart from a number of biggest national parks, others are too small to preserve anything in nearly an "untouched" nature. Majority of fresh drone pilots are going to play with anew toy for a week or two and then put in the closet, others who consider it a hobby are going to be experienced. So I don't see amajor threat here.So no, there won't be a dozen of drones every day. Might be a problem on weekends in touristic hotspots for as long as the drone obsession willlast - that's all.
"You know, there's a reason for existence of national parks. It is to preserve those few natural habitats that are left relatively untouched and protect the wildlife within."
Better not drive your car to one, then. And certainly you shouldn't enter one on a bike or on foot. All those people around are making paths and trails and ruining the area for the wildlife. Oh, and make sure you don't let the clattering of your shutters scare the wildlife. That's another thing that should be banned - photography.
I liked the images but the comments spoiled the effect :(
Good thing I didn't read any comments. ^.^
Wow, on average this must be the most idiotic bunch of responses ever.
Some great photos here, nobody died, calm down.
If you don't like it, rent a helicopter.
Like that blowhard relative that DRONES on and on and on.
Did a liberal ever live who didn't want to ban, regulate, prohibit, control, oversee, observe, meddle with EVERYTHING IN SIGHT?
I don't know about anyone else but I'm getting sick of this "liberal" painting BS that I'm seeing more and more on discussions that really have nothing to do with politics.
I don't think so. It's an ideology that some central group of smart thinkers need to decide what we can and cannot do. We're not smart enough on our own.
"I don't know about anyone else but I'm getting sick of this "liberal" painting BS that I'm seeing more and more on discussions that really have nothing to do with politics."
Yeah, me too. It's done by anti-intellectual theocrats. Uncreative people.
So drones are a liberal vs. conservative issue now? Really?
It's a modern liberal thing to want to ban or regulate something without any facts to support such a demand. Classical liberals in the late 1800's were the opposite, demanding freedom first.
We just had a visit from Rush Limbaugh.
Turning a photography site into an Ann Coulter rant. I repeat: Anti-intellectual, uncreative theocrat.
I hope people overseas see what's happening in the States - how people are trying to theocratize the country. These are the same people who fall for Nigerian e-mail scams, believe the Nazis were socialists, and Obama is a Kenyan born Muslim.
Here's your future, America. Fortunately, San Francisco and Silicon Valley laughed them out of town.
To anyone who wants to get back on track. I am an artist:
Well I will give you a contrary example. Gay marriages.
I'm not religious. Another liberal trait, thinking anyone who disagrees with them is cut from the same cloth. IMO, no one has demonstrated the drones pose any kind of threat, physical or psychological to the birds and it's just another example of knee-jerk pseudo-environmentalist mentality from people who probably never set foot outside whatever big city they live in.
Some folks here may be scoffing at the alarmists, but I think wildlife photographers are going to need to have a very serious discussion about the ethics of using drones in their work. And I think that those who can't see the potential impact of drones on wildlife are either very naive or very short-sighted, or perhaps both.
.....if not plain brainless.They are already causing havoc, wait till they will put other people's life in danger. Read:http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2014/04/drone-flies-close-plane-landing-vancouver-airport-investigation-underway-video/ and
They aren't using helicopters to shoot wolves from. PROVE that the drones are problem.
So the onus should be on the intelligent to prove the obvious to the naive? Are you sure that's the kind of world you want to live in?
What make these pics look different from when taken from a plane, balloon, helicopter, paraglider or UFO ?These are just aerial shots...that do not require a special contest IMHO.
We not only have had visits from Debbie Downer, but Rosanne Rosannadanna:
Hmmmm ... not in particular good images. But ... interesting.
A new technology to any people and animals.
The one with the Eagle is just SUPERB
Great pics, but what happens when the drones motor fails and falls on the crowd of people in the stadium below !
Right, lets ban drones but continue to let drunk drivers kill thousands on our roads every year.
Very little, and very little chance of that happening.
And what about drunk drone pilots ?
and lightning strikes, birds, rough winds, forgetting to charge the battery :P
My two favorite drone videos :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDcR_K5Y7GQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9KZ3jgbbmI
These are ok but I still think there is untapped comic potential in this new art form. Drones gone wild. Drones at the Bohemian Grove (ok, that might not be so funny.) Drones playing with pets. Drones at weddings, or Disneyland, or Walmart.
There are so many possibilities, it could be a year or more before it becomes a cliche.
I feel scared by looking at picture #2. Might because of some deadly faces...
This is a new Instagram filter to turn people into zombies...Its name is Thriller...
I don´t know why but I can´t feel interest on drone shoots, at least knowing they are not made directly by human, but just selected from a bunch later.
I like to put myself in a position where it is all about the image, not how it is made.
I could find robots shooting nice and even beautiful, but don´t ask me to feel overwelmed emotion about them. Beauty is not the main subject of art.
This is similar to setting up a camera near a wildlife spot and monitoring and firing the shutter remotely at a safe distance.
I am asking my self a question, is DPREVIEW really about photography, really ...
Very minimally. Mostly it's about gear or technology used in the making of photos. Witness the ad nauseum discussions of m4/3 vs full frame, equivalence, ultimate sharpness and so on.
Yes INDEED: the good old days of ACTUAL REVIEWS are gone! Now is mostly about bad pictures, bad reviews disguising themselves for what they really are: mostly auto-promotion and/or publicity! Not to mention a branch with LOTS of clicking potential: Videos of washing machines inside; colonoscopy; not to mention so many TRULY FUNNY videos of funny cats! editors at dpreview still have so much more to explore to make this site even more clickable and profitable!... sick! -_-
In reply to retzieus,,if the eagle photo was taken in Europe then yes,,laws would be broken,,,a wild bird is being disturbed unnecessarily...
Should be called bigbrotherstergram.
I'm still very skeptical about drones in general, but I have co concede it expands photographic possibilities. What this needs is better image quality, though.
There is nothing preventing anyone from mounting a Canon 1Dx to a drone large enough to lift the weight, if outstanding image quality is required.
Right now, people are all jazzed up over the novelty of getting a fresh perspective. In time, the novelty will fade, and they will start asking for photos with better technical quality.
What you and Marty say is correct. Drones are new and interesting to some folks. The word drone conjours up lots of bad feeling in some as well because they are used to smoke people from time to time. One general word that covers a whole category of craft. It seems Drone stories on DP review maybe the new iPhone camera stories we were inundated with previously.
Drone lightingDrone portraitsDrone contestDrone fashionDrone sportsDrone weddingsDrone landscapeDrone whatever
All coming to an article near you.
As the eagle is an immature bird,,there is a slim chance it was curious but where breeding raptors are known the drone should not have been in this area and should not be disturbing wildlife,,I don't know Bali"s regulations but in Europe he would have broken the law...
Are we at the point now where we literally just try to find stuff to criticize or be angry about now?
Chill out and enjoy the photos. No laws were broken, no wildlife was irrevocably violated, and mother earth was not harmed in the making of these images.
Cal down everyone, God Retzius is in control here! and everywhere!!! Even in the laws in ALL countries!!! LOL! :D
New been a fan of noisy drones but these pictures offer a unique perspective.
I notice that the 2nd picture taken in Manilla, the bicycles the young boys are riding seem to be of much higher quality than seen in Canada, if they are representative.
The average bike ridden by children and many adults are just thrown together piles of junk bought at Canadian Tire or the like.
Interesting points of view.
But the images are really flat.
Where's the dynamic range?
These are the poorest quality images I've ever seen National Geographic endorse.
Maybe National Graphic has become the drone....er zombie....
But, again, the points of view are somewhat interesting.
I wanna see the picture of the eagle chasing the guy on the ground controlling the drone...
Generally speaking, you cannot tell the actual dynamic range of the scene in an image from looking at a monitor or print (unless it contains, say, the sun, the moon, and some stars, all properly exposed!)In terms of "flatness", it could be your monitor; they're OK for me. Save one and up the contrast if it pleases you.
Most of the drone photographers right now are RC hobbyists and are still learning photography.
"The winning photo just makes it very clear why banning drones from national parks is a very good idea."
Calm down Chicken Little...
The only thing clear is that someone took a picture of a bird.
calm down 69
the only thing clear is that a drone was EXTREMELY closer to na eagle then it should EVER be! Does not matter who aproached who, the guy inh control of the drone should be the racional animal here!!!
And just what do you suggest that he do to get away from the far-faster and far-more-maneuverable bird? Any harsh movements might put the bird at risk. I'd very gently slow down and only descend when the bird had moved to a safe distance.
Oh my goodness. Many of the people below are utterly clueless.
The eagle was chasing the drone, not the other way around. Birds are MASSIVELY better fliers than even high-performance R/C airplanes, much less these relatively low-performance multi-rotor copters.
From the author:
"We were taking vertical aerial photos using autopilot. Suddenly the eagle came and chasing our drones, so I decided to take over and switch to manual control. After few minutes we discovered that the eagle did not attack the drone but chasing and playing with it."
Heliodon,,u have a point about the kids,,but the eagle photo,,unless a tame bird is unacceptable...photo_RB,,,what was the jist of his story please??
To add to my message below,,I notice national geographic sponsors the competition,,they SHOULD know better...
If there's concern about the relationship between the drone and the eagle in the winning photograph, what do people think about the drone hovering over a crowd of kids at low altitude in the second photograph? Unfortunately, there's no qualifying exam for operating these things and common sense seems to be in short supply.
My gut reaction is to criticize the first photo for the same reasons others have here but the photographer gave a good defence of his actions on another site which I have forgotten the link to. Worth checking out his side of the story.
the one u cannot check neither... -_-there is NO GOOD reason to do that crap and BRAKE THE LAW!!!
The winning photo just makes it very clear why banning drones from national parks is a very good idea.
Let's not kid ourself, this "photographer" has zero respect for his subject, and would endanger the wild animal just to get a cool shot. Hell, for all we know he might have just smashed his drone into this eagle, but hell, he got a winning shot, right?
And now, there's gonna be more of those inconsiderate, brainless shmucks doing the same stupid thing.
Really, this kind of stuff needs to be discouraged, not awarded.
The drone endangers the eagle? It is like a lion endangered by a remote control toy car.
Of course it endangers the eagle; it could have been hit by the propellers.
@AstrotripperThey are already causing havoc, wait till they will put other people's life in danger. Read:http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2014/04/drone-flies-close-plane-landing-vancouver-airport-investigation-underway-video/ and
@Just another Canon shutter,Get informed and run for cover.1 Dislike
9 more dislike to go to get to 0.
That photo of the fish eagle should not have won this competition,,,unless for scientific purposes,drones should not be in close proximity to wildlife,,in fact I would go as far as saying the photographer broke the law here,,,I say this as a knowledgeable birder...gonard,,that fish eagle is looking at the drone,,and you can see part of the drones shadow on the eagles wing...
Indeed Webber! Also to make such a photo with a fish eye means it was almost touching it!That is why i wrote my post bellow!