For $1850, we were expecting more than just a conventional box, and we weren't disappointed. Like the petals of a spring flower, the Leica T's outer packaging unfolds to reveal another, very black box...
Nothing great....it looks the same packaging like the X Vario i have.Why not follow those like Hasser with their bomb proof solid casing ?
DPR, this is the most obnoxious type of headline. I unfriend people for sharing these kinds of articles on Facebook. Also, unboxing videos are embarrassing.
What Apple is for computer enthusiasts is Leica for camera enthusiasts I would guess?Just my 2c worth, and not meant to be condescending; in the contrary, it's nice to see stellar-crafted tech-gadgetry; even if it is beyond my price range for the time being.
As a computer enthusiast (and Apple user), please don't insult me by saying Apple is the enthusiasts top choice!
Leica T is made at Leica Portuguese factory.
That's may be the reason Leica ONLY charges $1850 for it.
Hello Mike FL, Leitz Portugal employes more than 700 people and began its activity in this country 41 years ago. Believe it!
I'm not sure Leica would put "Leica Camera Made in Germany" on back of the camera from Portugal factory.
"Made in Germany" or "Made in Japan" is a feature which means the highest quality you can get from a product (camera in this case), and here is sample from amazon from Fuji X10:
"The X10 is proudly manufactured in Japan, and as a mark of true quality, it prominently features the words “made in Japan” along the rear of the chassis near the viewfinder. "
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/videos/m9-video.shtmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wma0DYTUPGQThis one is about the new factory opened last year. Mike, please follow carefully these links
The battery will come later as it is in the process of gold plating - this should add an exceptional value to the IQ.
They licensed a Sony NEX for times the price - they could at least license the battery too LMAO
The brushed aluminium body will cover with scratches in a week - "good design" :-))))
Many batteries already have gold plated terminals.
The aluminum is NOT brushed. It has a hard coating of some sort--even the aluminum colored body.
Battery sold separately. Red dot pricing won't be an exception.
The Battery will more expensive than a Canon APS-C sensor EOS-M body which is less than $250.
it's a teaser a la Leica.. enjoy the attraction. with teasing it's more seductive.. keep waiting a little while more..
The Leica is what it is. Curious if they produce Aluminum colored lenses to coordinate (like my Olympus m43s...)?
There are chrome lens bodies for the M system, so maybe.
A real world example of someone opening their new and expensive shiny thing and discovering it doesn't work.- I'd take the click-bait on that one.
Yes. It's a horror. There is no forgiveness for this sin.
It should worth every penny because it is a Leica.
"This $2.8 million Leica is the world’s most expensive camera"
I want one but I want it in gold!
Is the USB cable Leica branded, or some PRC OEM? :)
Leica does not compete with Canon or Nikon or Sony. They are in a different market -- luxury items. Their competitors are more like a trip around the world or a luxury watch or a really expensive champagne. Or a Porsche. Just like a owner of a Ferrari probably does not use more than 10% of its power, if at all, the same for Leica cameras. So what? If there's people buying them, it's their problem.
I don't own a Ferrari, but I do own a Porsche, and I can assure you I (and most fellow owners) DO use more than 10% of its power (which NB would equate to approx 30BHP ... hardly enough to even hit 30mph!)
Awesome stuff ! I love these unboxings ....so exciting seeing new camera kit.
Good thing you guys aren't writing clickbait titles. Man, THAT would be embarrassing.
I have been reading Dpreview since the beginning, but this is cheap journalism and totally unnecessary. What has gotten into the mind of the author to start this cheap bashing on Leica over a missing battery.
If only they would have been this brave to Nikon over their D600. Now that would have been a proper statement.
Now in return you must write a full detailed review on this camera and finish the Pana DMC-FZ1000 review. And don't you dare to tag it with Humor again...
What are you talking about? He didn't bash Leica at all. He was rather understanding about it I thought.
I would've been much harder on them..
Eelco van Vliet:Please tell me that I am missing the humorous irony in your post. If you are playing it straight, I must conclude that you are not a riot at parties.
If they forgot the battery - "THEY FORGOT THE BATTERY!"
Nobody's bashing Leica branded Panasonics. It's the people that buy them that we find amusing.
Yes you definately missed the humorous irony...
I was disappointed when I bought my Leica M240 brand new that had missing Hot shoe protection insert, I called the Leica authorized dealer they said it came this way however they were able to send me one. Cmon Leica fired all your QC and do it right! so disappointed spending thousands of dollars and still get missing part! Maybe they hand wax too much to forget some other parts.. stop waxing while you can improve your QC.. I still love Leica even they screw up on me..
I went on a photography 'workshop' last year with 4 other photographers and a pro.
3 of us had SLRs, tripods and the usual bag of kit. One had a Leica camera and a Channel handbag for her trip into the Sussex countryside! Tells me all I need to know about Leica users.
All that tells me is that you're a snob.
Was there a photo wash-up at the end? Imagine how annoying it would be if her images were more interesting than yours!
She has a Channel bag so there is no way that could happen. /s :D
BaldCol, two questions:
1) Are your comments indicative of your belief that one needs a lorry-load of gear to care about the images one takes? 2) How did you so easily recognize the Chanel bag?
1. Nope. Just making the comparison2. Because she told us it was and that's why she couldn't put it down on the wet grass.
I did see her images and they were great. I didn't say you couldn't be a good photographer if you had an Leica did I.
I would tell you I can't put a suede jacket on wet grass. How many people on here say they can't take their non-weather sealed Fujis in the rain?
I won't deny that there can be a boutique edge to Leica. Still, I'm pleased that a brand has some appreciation for physical quality - though obviously at a premium price. But they do feel good in the hand. And they are no patsies in terms of IQ and performance. Much respect to you in adding that her images were good. I wouldn't be surprised if she was pretty good - back in the day - when she was required in a course to use a Holga, including all the black duct or electrical tape to stop light leaks.
Thanks for the anecdote.
I'd love to see the pictures from this workshop.Image gallery titles on flikr:slr 1) wild nature in sussexslr 2) green hills of southern englandslr 3) exploring downsleica) "homeless with cheap cameras in the country" project
sounds milldly sexist
Not at all. 4 photographers, two men and two women.
The surprise slide 10 comes tomorrow:The camera works even without a battery it has 16G memory + standby battery for 1000 pictures built in :)
My M2 works without a battery ;-P
Does your M2 record images without film?
He did not say record, he just said work.
My Canon 100 als 33 also work without film, but not without a battery.
Eelco van Vliet:
No you mean that the M2's mechanism will actuate without a battery. However the M2 will not work as a camera without film. (You likely have to advance that film yourself too, and at the same time reset the shutter. Else use a battery and auto winder.)
Your Canon needs both a battery and film to function as a camera.
You see cameras are to record images not simply make clicks and whirs. And digital cameras don't work sans electricity and a sensor, while film cameras need film and sometimes electricity.
My Minolta SR1 works without a battery, but is useless as a camera without film. And like the M2 above I have to advance the film.
HowaboutRAW: try lightening up a little - I was making a joke!
Yeah, I got it, and you were saying here's this nice Leica (the M2) that works without the battery missing from this T example.
But as you know film cameras have other needs, and since about the year 2003 have had limitations that digital cameras don't.
While I understand you weren't exactly dumping on Leica as a camera maker, there's been a lot of that in these comments.
I'm certainly not dumping on Leica. In fact, the M2 that I have just bought is my first Leica and hopefully not the last. It's a brand that I greatly admire, but unfortunately one that I can only buy-into by selecting something that's 50 years old!
Still think you should lighten-up a little :-P
HowaboutRAW is a joke...LOL! just like the indian guy with master degree we see in another post. JOKES!!!
sorry buddy you are really a joke and i have to write this to honor you. JOKES!
@Treve1 he doesn't know how to lighten up. Howaboutraw is that guy that spends all day surfing through coments on the front page looking for posts to crap on & start arguments. He kinda sucks...
That's forums for you - unfortunately...
Well I agree that I argue in these comments, but just look at your posts for reasons to argue.
Example of me being a joke please?
I think you perhaps mean the noun "jokers". But who knows you what you meant. I'm guessing you don't like that I challenge you.
You need to stop taking yourself so seriously, or take a nice long holiday for some rest...
Ah yes, who says this isn't a holiday?
It simply collects neutrinos and converts their energy to electromagnetic.
So functioning portable over-unity gear for a few thousand bucks? Given the implications, seems cheap.
Leica may want people to think this "mode T" implies Henry Ford's "mode T", a car people can afford.
$1,850 is higher comparing to other name's APSC sensor body, but it is very low comparing to its own cameras released in the past.
Somebody is going to be fired for that. It looked like a retail package. Are they going to have the same problem with all packages? Or battery is just an optional accessory, another $1000? ;)
Brushed Aluminium.Boy it'll have 1000 scratches all over it.
Um, where are you seeing confirmation that there's no anodizing?
It is mirror polished (by hand) and then anodized.
Per Leica rep only the black is anodized.
"Per Leica rep", we see where that got things.
I doubt this, untreated aluminium oxidizes quickly, salty hand sweat would dig a hole in that premium case!
What's with the damn clickbait headline?
Really is a nice looking camera. Some texture to the aluminum grip might be nice, but sure looks good
Judging from the Verge's review it's nicer to photograph than to photograph with! LOL!
From the good part of the review at The Verge:
Beautiful designSolid build qualityGood image quality
It's a bit hard to take reviews seriously that don't have DNGs (that's raws) for download.
Complaints about white balance with legacy M lenses don't get reviewers taken real seriously. (Again this is mostly about raw and using it.)
dpreview has always been extremely harsh on Leica. What's the motivation for dpreview to write this article? Why didn't dpreview just contact Leica and then write the article once the battery was received? No, instead preview decided to write this article to make Leica look like a bunch of fools. This article is the ultimate troll.
Why not? Isn't Leica extremely harsh on consumers?
Why is Leica harsh on customers ?
Leica just should make good lenses for Panasonic. Selling (otherwise good Panasonic) cameras with a red dot for 2x price or creating a new camera standard is ridiculous. They will never make good sensors good processors innovative software only hand brushed boxes and the generation that respect hand brushed boxes is dying out.
They even offer coffee to their customer while waiting. They also offer free courses.
Some people appreciate and some not.
@stevens37yI own a Dlux-6, which in essence is a Panasonic LX-7. But I liked the grip (or lack of) of the Dlux better. And got a Lightroom licence bundled with it which I needed. Cost me 100 Euros more to get the Leica over the Panasonic. Not even close to your mentioned 2x price.
And Panasonic would probably not have done so well without Leica. Benifitial for both of them.
Leica reps offer free coffee and courses? That's very expensive "free" coffee and courses, indeed!
@Eelco van Vliet"liked the grip (or lack of)" Good sentence. If the DLUX had grip and the LX7 not then many people would say how good is the feeling of the grip. It doesn't slip out of the hand.I have no problem with the grip of the LX7 (I have 2pc US+EU) because of the diff. video frame rates.So the DLUX6 is more expensive because you get less (-grip) (+the infamous red dot).Or the Lightroom (that I don't need at all ) is simply a mandatory bundle.
...but is it meant to be turned on? ;-)
Didn't Leica also forget to include an effective IR filter in one their past cameras?
(You're thinking of an approach Leica took with the M8--didn't shoot nice photos of polyester. And it wasn't a case of forgetting anything.)
With Leica, the term "charging" I rarely associate with batteries.
Hey the AC adapter for the multifunction handgrip for the M is only £220.00 which is cheaper than the S £266.67.
But how many other cameras can one plug in AC...constantly?
The T wins the award for worst looking Leica ever. WHAT is with that viewfinder?
I think all external EVFs look awful.
Yep, always bad looking when you can't even afford the empty box
Really, Panpen? It's expensive therefore it MUST be perfect in every way? The camera is ugly...thuh end. It doesn't matter if it's "affordable" or not. It doesn't even mean it isn't a great performing camera, which it might be. But, it IS ugly.
Well, well, well... Leica cameras, lenses and other stuff are 90% Made In Portugal. Not Germany. Including this new overworked aluminum unibody Leica T.Look here, the video is portuguese spoken but you'll get it.http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/sociedade/leica-fotografia-fabrica-famalicao-tvi24-ultimas-noticias/1335776-4071.htmlOr google translate this:http://www.jn.pt/PaginaInicial/Economia/Interior.aspx?content_id=3932829&page=-1"New Leica T represents over 1.5 million for Famalicão plant"
Portuguese people make great products. There is no fault to that. I am surprised that Leica does not have a manufacturing facility in a cheap labor country. We could enjoy less expensive products. In reality all this means that they should have better management and quality control.
It is unacceptable to believe that German workers are better.
Righ on, "It is unacceptable to believe that German workers are better", Most reliable cars are Japanese car MADE in Japan.
FWIW:Leica has manufacturing facility in Shanghai, China.
Yes, Leica cameras are "essentially" made in Portugal for over 40 years!
They are made in Portugal because Portugal has very highly skilled workers and very low salaries. Manufacturing in China (or Thailand,etc) is still associated with mass market products. For high end products like Leica cameras, binoculars, etc, that would be an image brand problem.
There are many top brand quality products made in Portugal that then get a Made in Germany, Made in USA or even Made in Spain sticker.
In the US stamping something "Made in USA" without it being made there is illegal. Bet it's illegal in Germany too.
In the US there's lots of "assembled in the USA using foreign components". There's not a lot of highend consumer gear made in the USA anymore--unless you count some Intel CPUs.
"In the US stamping something "Made in USA" without it being made there is illegal."
@HowaboutRAW: And rightly so! It should be illegal to state something is made in a country when it's not.
I have been inside of a factory (nothing to do with cameras) and the American clients request the Made in USA stamp on the products, so they do it. I don't know if this a widespread practice or not.
Please note that I don't know if Leica cameras have a "Made in Germany" stamp on them or not. But I bet they do, because in the interview the plant manager says that the electronics are added in Germany. I doubt they mention anywhere that any of the components are made in Portugal.
In Germany it's legal to label "Made in Germany" if at least 10% of the value added is of German origin. As they say in de video, cameras are sent to Germany where the imaging sensor is incorporated (probably made in Japan)
That 10% would not qualify as "Made in USA"--that would be more like "Assembled in USA with parts for Taiwan, Korea and/or China"; this is an actual label I've seen.
I assume you mean a factory out side of the US.
American territories are allowed to use "Made in USA" like American Samoa. I have not seen this label for many many years. In US many companies proudly placed "Made in China" marketing the idea that you get good value for your money but not necessarily as good as "Made in USA". In addition certain products have to tell the origin of manufacturing - a lot is labour related issues.
Likewise "Made in Germany" characterizes exceptional quality. I am not sure that there such a regulation in Europe. However, for name protected products a manufacturer can not use that "protected name" unless it is made in the country of origin with certain procedures 100%.
This is getting beyond the scope of a Marketing video, However, I believe that properly managed work produces excellent products regardless of origin of manufacturing.
At the end of the day if you do not have proper management and QC you will get results like this missing battery.
It is a good looking shining camera.
Leica's largest market is in China, therefore it may very much impact "T"s design as Chinese like "flashy" things.
Off a topic a bit, China is the #1 market for all of “lifestyle” brand such as Rolex, Leica, most expensive handbag. Also, Per Bloomberg, "China Luxury Car Sales Seen Beating U.S. by 2016"...
Therefore, Leica may really release a shining Lens and/or EVF for T...
I looked at this camera last weekend at my pro shop's open house with a Leica rep present. Impressive build but the menu interface was stunningly bland. It was like playing pong compared to one of today's 3D games. The camera is elegant but the interface is not up to Leica's brand image.
Do you often play video games with the other mirrorless bodies you own?
Sony went in for that effing video game interface on a few too many Nex bodies.
As long as it works and I can get to settings, Pong is fine with me.
Poop happens, people stuff up, move on folks
The amount of packaging for this camera is ridiculous and unnecessary.
-no one said Leica was environmentally sensitive I suppose-
I understand your point but if you were Paying that kind of cash for a jumped up Samsung NX2000-alike with a Sub-EOS-M quality £1100 kit lens , would you be happy if it arrived in canon compact style crappy ecologically friendly packaging ? . I`d expect it to arrive in a bespoke case made of Honduran rosewood !
If I was paying that kind of money for such an average camera, I'd expect Queen Elizabeth herself to deliver it...white gloves and all. :)
she did .. but she needed an extra battery for her T and scooped dpreview's..
Since Leica owners probably won't throw the packaging out, its not really headed to the landfill.
Maybe they again produce cameras without batteries (I wish)
I was a little disappointed to read a piece of rumor about a Panasonic camera a while ago, which was copy and paste from a Hongkong socialite's blog.
Now this unboxing article is even better as DPR jump on the bandwagon mocking Leica.
DPR is certainly changing. Let's hope it is for better in a long run.
I like the last image : poignant.
i am not surprised. So far a Leica Premier Dealer supplied me three defective Leica Ms. I caught them supplying used equipment for new. So I cannot say that was Leica's fault. However the next M will be bought directly from Leica with caution. However, for my taste, M has the best IQ, easy to use, hard to miss a shot. This make it an inexpensive camera. I would not buy a T though.
FWIW:In The United States, it is against the Law for " supplying used equipment for new".
BTW:10+ years ago, a big chain store was being shut down because they sale customer's returning PC as new.
This explains why my ex M8.2 shutter failed after 2 months from 'new'....
Let us hope a DPR poster will comment/joke/quip for the 16th time that it doesn't matter because the camera will be put in a display case.
You'r to late! Done already...
is not like they build 20 000 item per day, like in china for their production line, where they have to stand 12 hours-15 hours per day.
Such a cosy and slow production in germany and they miss a battery. This is not the standard expected of LEICA production.
anyway the camera is very beautiful, but they put a UGLY BIG HEAD on the top and turn it from snow white to King kong bundy. Very impressive to polish the aluminum, but they stuck a huge ugly black thingy on top. What a disgrace in german design.
That periscope thing really f's up the design.
yeah they can polish the aluminum body a thousand year, but put a black cheap plastic EVF on it. What is the point? Put an aluminum EVF on it Leica, is this what german design now?
DPR: If you need a battery to review this camera you are not up to the task!
And please, write another ariticle about the Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ1000...
Looks supersilly! I have try some modern digital Leica, don't like them!
This site is going downhill with these silly articles and multiple previews.
But you visited, and site traffic is important to Amazon.
you do realize this one is more than a little tongue in cheek, right? Not sure what you mean by 'multiple previews'...
And HowaboutRAW: site traffic is important to us, just as it always has been, even when we weren't owned by our parent company. Any commercial website that says it doesn't care about traffic either (1) is lying, (2) doesn't have any, or (3) is behind a paywall (and that's being generous because they care too).
"you do realize this one is more than a little tongue in cheek, right?"
The humor tag did give that away :-)
The problem is: does this pay off in the long term? I started following dpreview severall years ago, when it was the best review site of the internet. Now I find myself visiting the website very rarely, simply because... there are not reviews anymore. Cameras get reviewed after many months, if they get reviewed at all. Many interesting cameras during the last years have never been reviewed, and in many cases cameras get previewed but the review never arrives. That's what I think the OP meant.Remember how this site became famous... it was not by generating traffic by casual users with unboxings or stuff like that, but by generating high quality traffic from loyal users with reviews that were regarded as the best and most comprehensive camera reviews.
What the bejesus is "high quality traffic"?!
Yes, DPR has veered somewhat from the roots of pure high quality reviews and little else. Yes, the reviews are coming in rather slow. But it only makes sense to expand the range of articles to capture a larger audience, keep things fresh and grow the site.
You and a thousand others may visit less, but likely hundreds of thousands are visiting more, enjoying more and as you can probably tell, commenting more. The community alone makes the site that much more engaging and valuable.
Simon, I appreciate your response and realize this one is a bit tongue in cheek. What I mean about multiple previews is that it just seems like there should just be a single preview and a single review rather than them coming out piecemeal.
I see why you do it this way and it probably gets more clicks. My honest feedback is that it is a bit frustrating on the front page as there is enough good topics you cover that we don't need to see links to the same camera on 3 or 4 consecutive days.
Agreed. These guys put up headline articles if a battery is missing. They are right, though, I did not believe what happened at the end of the unboxing: I did not believe they would post such an article.
Just like DPR to pass a suggestion to Leica to ask Leica to sign the T by who hand polish and assemble it.
My Dali speakers are signed by the Denmark technician who hand made, assembled and tested them.
I will not buy a Leica because I cannot afford it. However, making Leica ridiculous because of one person's mistake is pathetic.
One advice for dpreview. No unboxing, no first impressions, no first shooting experiences. Only real reviews please. That will do.
What's wrong with having something to read while waiting for the reviews?The previews and first impressions articles are usually written based on handling pre-production units, whereas the review proper has to wait until the arrival of a production unit. So it's not like the previews delay the actual reviews.
"The previews and first impressions articles are usually written based on handling pre-production units..."Sure, but that didn't happen here. For DPR to have descended to the level of YouTube style "unboxings", I just shudder.But I guess, maybe, in this case, it is appropriate. That is mainly what this camera is about, the 'experience', the touch, feel and fondle of the thing. The whole emotion of taking it out of the box - why else such an elaborate and over worked box - is probably a large part of the joy of owning one. But then, it is still on the wrong web site...
Well, its PR camera, not customer.. things happen, its quite a bit worse if you review for example graphic cards.
if you want to ask that much money and deliver such sloppiness.You german deserve to lose your job by eastern european migrant. What disgrace, you might as well shift your plant to China.
Has the world totally lost its sense of humour?
you wont be happy if you are the customer who paid good money and receive this from the post. you will not be laughing.
Read the post properly before criticising - the omission was by the PR guys who sent the camera, not the Leica factory.
pls dun be a shameful fanboy, PR guy is from Leica. you are a joke.
From other review site:
"... Leica expects you to judge its cameras differently. It’s as much about the overall experience of using (and owning) a luxury product as it is about features and performance.
The T is a beautiful camera that will surely look good on a display shelf or around the neck of a well-heeled vacationer. Just like a five-figure Rolex tells the exact same time as a $30 Timex, but looks a whole lot better while doing it, the Leica T takes the same pictures as almost any other mirrorless camera, but looks a whole lot better doing it..."
hmmm, the reason is that T is a bargain, too cheap...
"... if you were hoping to get the real Leica experience in a digital camera for the bargain price of under $4,000, the T isn’t going to cut it. ..."
I find most of these comments sad...in fact what is the point of this story? Somebody made a mistake and didn't put the battery in the box, big deal. The story is snarky and the comments, filled with banal sarcasm are simply sad and depressing.
The T, while too expensive for most of us, is certainly a work of art, and the photos it takes are probably very fine. The comments, however, are aimed at the ridiculous drooling over every facet of the box and the machined hotshoe and battery covers. Comments that are more than appropriate for drooling that borders on sexual fetishism. Would the comments be the same if this were just another Canon Elph?
the article wouldn't exist, which is part of my point...there is no story unless its Leica, then they've got a snarky lame waste-of-time story
This hole shows the tendency of Leica quality in current and next couple years!